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Tyra, >However the APIs, service programs, pointers, etc >are new techniques that are available to all of us to learn. As opposed to the cycle which is not available to all of us to learn? Last I checked, it was still supported in every version of the RPG compiler I had. Did I miss an announcement? <g> >If I already >know how to code WITHOUT the cycle, why should I go back and learn >something For the same reasons you learn any other technique. It might prove useful, or gasp, you may even see it in a program someday. Heck, I could make RPG II do all kinds of stuff even before it had an IF statement. The fact you know how to code something WITHOUT using <insert feature here> does not negate the potential usefulness of that feature. Take a look at the sample "cycle" program I posted. Is it *that* hard to comprehend? >I want to go FORWARD in my programming knowledge.... I don't think I can be accused of not wanting to learn new techniques, or not have the language advance. I wanted complete free-format with the first advent of RPG IV. I *love* subprocedures. I have service programs for various API collections. Yada, yada. But I don't throw the baby out with the bath water either. I don't think of the cycle as "backwards". I think of it as "time tested". <g> Doug
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