Re: Simple Subfile question -- RPG400-L

Yes, isn't it great that most computer languages aren't like that anymore?
At one time Basic, C, Pascal, RPG were very unique specific languages.  They
each had different ways to do things, and some couldn't do some things at all
(Remember basic's PEEK and POKE statements?).  But, dang, you know what?  All
these languages have gotten closer through the years!  

I love what they have been doing with RPG, truly I do!  Now it is much much
easier to write and maintain programs, RPG II is almost a totally different
language than RPG IV, as it should be, it has matured.

But somewhere in the maturing process, subfiles got left behind.  Waaaaaaay
behind.  

But I guess IBM is assuming I'll be programing all my UI's in Java.  Come on
Java101!  

Regards,

Jim Langston

Okay, I'm done grumbling now.  Got it all out of my system, sorry you all
had to hear it.

"Westdorp, Tom" wrote:
> 
> I've spoken English for 51 years, at one time spoke Russian, studied Latin
> for 4 years, and also took a couple of semesters of German.  However I can
> barely order 'mas cerveza' and ask 'donde esta el bano'.  Must be something
> wrong with Spanish, it's just too hard.  Wholey frijole!
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jim Langston [mailto:jimlangston@conexfreight.com]
> Sent: Monday, April 09, 2001 1:24 PM
> To: RPG400-L@midrange.com
> Subject: Re: Simple Subfile question
> 
> 1. I have created subfiles in the past.  And they weren't as difficult as
> this
>    one is.  Nor should they be.
> 2. I never said you don't need knowledge and experience.  I've been
> programming
>    since I was 10 years old (literally) and am now 37 years old. I've been
>    programming professionally since I was 24 or so, about 13 years
> professional
>    experience in many different languages on a few platforms.  Do I expect
>    a middle school to be able to program the things I do?  No.
> 3. What is my 13 years professional experience, and my 14 years unpaid
> experience,
>    chopped liver?
> 4. Yes.  So why didn't they improve subfiles before giving it to us?  Or
> improving
>    them over the years?
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Jim Langston
> 
> Rick Childers wrote:
> >
> > Maybe they are design flaws and I have just gotten used to them.  But it
> is
> > obvious that the mistakes that you were making, come from inexperience
> with
> > AS400 subfiles.
> >   You said "Well, why should I need that much experience to do subfiles to
> > be able to do one?"
> > 1. It doesn't take a programmer THAT MUCH experience to be able to create
> a
> > subfile. (Unless your a hamburger shy of a Happy Meal) But the more
> > experience you have with anything, the more tricks/tips you learn, and the
> > better, more efficient you will be at it.  I didn't have to consult a
> manual
> > to know what you were doing wrong with your code. Why? Because I made the
> > same mistakes with my first as400 subfile program. By making those
> mistakes
> > I learned the proper way to create a subfile.
> > 2.  If you don't need knowledge or experience to program then any Middle
> > School kid that knows what a mouse is could take your job. Or maybe even
> > upper management writing their own programs. Personnaly I think we are all
> > better off keeping mgmt using spreadsheets & the programs that WE create.
> > 3.  You have to pay your dues.
> > 4.  Anything worth while is worth waiting for.
> >
> >    But hey, that's just an AS400 programmer's opinion.
> >
> > >From: Jim Langston <jimlangston@conexfreight.com>
> > >Reply-To: RPG400-L@midrange.com
> > >To: RPG400-L@midrange.com
> > >Subject: Re: Simple Subfile question
> > >Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2001 09:58:56 -0700
> > >
> > >Well, why should I need that much experience to do subfiles to be able to
> > >do one?  I understand that's the way they are, but why?  I don't have
> > >this type of trouble with subfile type programs in windows.  In any
> > >language,
> > >C++, VB, Delphi.
> > >
> > >I consider it a design flaw.
> > >
> > >Regards,
> > >
> > >Jim Langston
> > >
> > >Rick Childers wrote:
> > > >
> > > > You just need a little more experience with subfiles.  After a while,
> > >when
> > > > you have a subfile problem, you will know exactly how to fix it
> without
> > >even
> > > > giving it much thought.  Then you will be cruisin'.
> > > >       Good luck,
> > > > Rick Childers
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