Re: Google Apps Premier and OpenOffice

Initially, we priced out 2 physical servers to spread the load of 5 virtual
servers and for redundancy. If one of the physical servers would have a
problem, the other could handle all 5 for a spell. Now we're in the "let's
get the costs down" phase. If we go with 1 physical server, we could keep
the old servers as backups instead of buying a second physical server.


The 5 virtual servers are:

1) Receive orders from customer and salesreps, forward to System i for
processing, receive results from System i, and transmit same to customers
and salesreps (mission critical).

2) File & Print Server (instead of IFS).

3) Terminal services server for 10 thin clients (replacing the IXS).

4) Terminal services for inside customer service ordering. This server also
functions as a warm backup for server #1.

5) Exchange (unless we go with Google Apps).


The cost difference between a SAN and non-SAN setup for this is $1,619.
Still think a SAN is overkill?


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-----Original Message-----
From: pctech-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:pctech-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf Of Walden H. Leverich
Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2009 9:01 AM
To: PC Technical Discussion for iSeries Users
Subject: Re: [PCTECH] Google Apps Premier and OpenOffice

It has what you have there plus virtualization, a 2nd server as
backup, a SAN for storage, all the software licensing, and all the labor.

Virtualization and a SAN? That's much more than is needed for a 25 person
exchange implementation. If you're doing other stuff than fine, but then

you

can't compare it to Google Apps. Unless you SAN is just a big box of

disks,

you better have someone to manage it too. For one server a SAN makes ZERO
sense, for two servers, it makes minimal sense, I'd get an external

storage

array and move it between the machines if needed. SANs shine w/multiple
front-end servers, and they're typically not a set-and-forget setup

(really

simple iSCSI not withstanding).

-Walden

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-----Original Message-----
From: pctech-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:pctech-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf Of Jeff Crosby
Sent: Monday, May 04, 2009 4:15 PM
To: 'PC Technical Discussion for iSeries Users'
Subject: Re: [PCTECH] Google Apps Premier and OpenOffice

I have 2 quotes from the same guy, 1 with IBM x3650 servers and 1 with

Dell

Poweredge servers. The Dell is cheaper. Both quotes are higher (a lot)
than you estimate because it includes more things than just this in the
project. It has what you have there plus virtualization, a 2nd server as
backup, a SAN for storage, all the software licensing, and all the labor.

I'm not finding too many online reviews or posts that like Google Apps.
Other than a guy who wrote a book about it. :)

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Jeff Crosby
UniPro FoodService/Dilgard
P.O. Box 13369
Ft. Wayne, IN 46868-3369
260-422-7531
www.dilgardfoods.com

The opinions expressed are my own and not necessarily the opinion of my
company.  Unless I say so.

-----Original Message-----
From: pctech-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:pctech-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx]

On

Behalf Of Lukas Beeler
Sent: Monday, May 04, 2009 3:59 PM
To: PC Technical Discussion for iSeries Users
Subject: Re: [PCTECH] Google Apps Premier and OpenOffice

On Mon, May 4, 2009 at 21:44, Jeff Crosby <jlcrosby@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>

wrote:

25 Users.

What kind of infrastructure do you have right now with regards to

Windows?

What kind of licenses do you currently have and what kind of client
operating systems do you currently run?
What suite of Microsoft Office are you currently using?

My Guesstimation:

IBM System x3650 M2 with an external LTO4 drive (TS2240)
SBS 2008 Standard + 20 User Licenses
Symantec BackupExec Small Business Edition
+ Static IP Address on your WAN connection (~10-20US$ / month)
+ Yearly cost for appropriate SAN certificate (~200US$ / year)

Put this as 15kUS$ to 25kUS$, without labor. Does not include licenses
for Outlook client.

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