RE: Rural Sourcing

I would say that right now our management thinks that offshoring is the
answer to any application problem that we have. To them it is the
silver bullet. For example, another part of our company has 4x the
bodies that we do for certain application development. We currently are
not as productive as them. The answer - offshore. No change in body
count. Offshore.

Outsourcing, H1B visas, offshoring, anti-Americanism, nationalism, anti
anything that isn't American, etc.. These are the debate points that
can be easily introduced into this discussion. At least I think so. So
you aren't clueless.....I'm just trying to avoid introducing them. I
have my view points but didn't want a degraded discussion.

Michael Crump

Manager, Computing Services
Saint-Gobain Containers, Inc.
1509 S. Macedonia Ave.
Muncie, IN 47302
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-----Original Message-----
From: midrange-nontech-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:midrange-nontech-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Lukas Beeler
Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2008 2:30 PM
To: Non-Technical Discussion about the AS400 / iSeries
Subject: Re: Rural Sourcing

On Thu, May 15, 2008 at 8:04 PM, Crump, Mike
<Mike.Crump@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Today, we are normally looking for developers/experts to work on

custom projects or even do some staff augmentation. Sometimes we need
subject matter experts for heavy lifting and sometimes we need a warm
body.

Sounds to me like you're using partial outsourcing already - which
makes a lot of sense. You can't have experts for everything on your
company's payroll - e.G. few companies have their own painters, as
they're not needed daily and it is easier to hire them on a hourly
basis.

We've aligned ourselves with some very capable software services

companies. It's not a question of quality and in most cases I think our
full cost is fair but it's hard getting people to look behind the hourly
rate.

That sounds very reasonable. Did i get this right that your management
is looking for a fully outsourced IT? (i.E. with no IT staff on their
own, all handled by another company?). Or is it just about switching
your service company to another? If the latter, that doesn't make much
sense to me if the only gripe you're having right now is price.

Sorry for sounding cagey but I'm trying to avoid saying things that

open all the other debate points....

This might make me sound clueless, but what are you implying here?