What OS in the world can run a business? AN OS runs the computer. For any
business considering a computing solution, the application software must be
selected before one selects the platform on which it runs.

Unlike M$, IBM is no longer in the business of selling ERP application
software. Quit complaining to and about IBM regarding that issue.

Paul Nelson
Cell 708-670-6978
Office 512-392-2577

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From: midrange-nontech-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:midrange-nontech-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Lukas Beeler
Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2008 8:04 AM
To: Non-Technical Discussion about the AS400 / iSeries
Subject: Re: i5 Youngsters

On 1/15/08, Aaron Bartell <albartell@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
1) Windows and i5/OS are not created equal. What I mean by that is most
shops would agree that i5/OS is more stable than Windows. We can talk all
day about having the best and most knowledgable Windows engineers, but in
the case of i5/OS, you simply don't need to have an elite to make
stability/reliability/security happen. Am I way off here?

I usually replace around 20-30 Systems i per year. Most of them are in
horrible shape. Failed arrays, expired support contracts,
non-supported OS, QSECURITY of 20, unsecured Telnet without SSL
encryption. Administrative HTTP server without SSL encryption.

Properly setting up i5/OS is difficult, and requires a lot of
knowledge. Making permissions correct, enabling SSL, deploying
appropriate config is a lot of work. Windows Server, on the other
hand, comes with a rather secure default config.

I do respect your opinion because as far as I can tell you have a fair
amount of experience in both camps. It just surprises me that you are so
anti-i5/OS. I get the feeling the root is pricing and that then effects
most of your other opinions/facts to have people steer towards Windows
clusters/farms. If the pricing for hardware and OS were a wash between
Windows and i5/OS, which would you prefer in most cases?

I'm not against i5/OS, though i understand that one would get this
impression following this conversation. I've got 3 years of Experience
with it now, and i've recognized a lot of problems with i5/OS. But
also a lot of stuff that is a lot better than on other platforms. The
problem is that right now, i5/OS can't run a Business on it's own,
which is doable using Windows and also more or less doable using

I've made very good experiences with Microsoft's technical support and
their technical contacts. I've always talked with people that at least
pretended to care about the problems i had.

Same on IBM's hardware side, but their Software support ist just a
group of lunatics with no real clue. I've written a few posts to
midrange-l regarding a lot of issues i had when trying to get proper
print output from the System i (i.E. modern, graphical, overlays,

IBM doesn't care about that, and they're not trying to fix the
problems the platform has. Microsoft, however, has always been
responsive about fixing problems, and they're constantly improving
their OS.

i5/OS has many things that work really well compared to other
platforms. Inplace upgrades of Windows machines are a nightmare. On
i5/OS, they're completely automated and you just walk back at a
running System. Job control is also much easier.

But all that doesn't help if you need a 10k software package just to
print invoices with a color logo :)

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