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Unreal. Scott Adams has management pegged. They should read his stuff, hire someone to translate it for them, and maybe get half a flipping clue, you know ? Chuck -----Original Message----- From: midrange-nontech-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:midrange-nontech-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Mike.Crump@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Thursday, December 16, 2004 11:27 AM To: Non-Technical Discussion about the AS400 / iSeries Subject: RE: Microsoft targets IBM midrange server customers Chuck, Ahhhhh, the $64,000 question. The answer is that our management (lacking spines and a few other anatomical parts that I will not mention) did not feel comfortable fighting the 'standard'. One problem is that this information did not go very high up......due to political circumstances.....the other is I think our VP of IT decided that if he was going through the risky SAP implementation he would rather implement it via their standard in case the implementation flopped.....he didn't want a system choice to be the source of blame.....Not a smart move from my perspective.........ignoring a general business rule regarding costs seems rather.......ahhhhh, I've said enough to get myself in trouble.... What was rather interesting is that our parent company as well as the consultant that we selected went out of their way to create imaginary technical hurdles to help enforce the need for the standard. I'm talking completely fabricated issues..... The one point I did not mention is that the i5 availability was the major component behind making the iSeries an affordable solution comparatively....... Another piece of advice is that if you are considering SAP and you are using the iSeries or contemplating it I would work with the Comtech Group. I'm not affiliated in any way but I'm under the impression that they have done the largest number of iSeries SAP implementations and you will get the straightest story..... Michael Crump Manager, Computing Services Saint-Gobain Containers 1509 S. Macedonia Ave. Muncie, IN 47302 (765)741-7696 (765)741-7012 f (800)428-8642 "The probability that we may fail in the struggle ought not to deter us from the support of a cause we believe to be just" Abraham Lincoln Chuck Lewis <clewis@xxxxxxxxx t> To Non-Technical Discussion about the 12/16/2004 08:52 AS400 / iSeries AM <midrange-nontech@xxxxxxxxxxxx> cc Please respond to Subject Non-Technical RE: Microsoft targets IBM midrange Discussion about server customers the AS400 / iSeries <midrange-nontech @midrange.com> That is VERY interesting information Mike - thanks so much for letting us know. So did the company, in deciding to delay, at least drop the Windows choice in favor of iSeries in light of this information ? Or were the blindly insisting on that in SPITE of this information and that is what they can't afford ? Chuck -----Original Message----- From: midrange-nontech-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:midrange-nontech-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Mike.Crump@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 2004 11:40 AM To: Non-Technical Discussion about the AS400 / iSeries Subject: RE: Microsoft targets IBM midrange server customers Actually there were a whole bunch of quotes in the article....I just about popped a vein...... Just so everyone knows we went through a SAP feasibility study here just recently...thankfully it has been delayed because we can't afford it........ 1.) Our parent company mandated Windows servers and SQL server as the standard - they call it a business requirement (I still laugh over that crap....) 2.) I now know that the iSeries makes a phenomenal SAP server - anyone that suggest otherwise does not know what they are talking about.... 3.) We priced a large hardware configuration - iSeries was slightly more expensive than an xSeries implementation - less than 2% (remember what you get with your hardware.........ahem.....just a database.....). 4.) We priced a hardware, maintenance, software, and it's maintenance. The iSeries was slightly less expensive.....approximately 5%. 5.) When we included personnel - the iSeries was cheaper by over $750,000 per year. That's right, significantly cheaper...... so.............. iSeries can't run SAP - bull iSeries can't run SAP well - bull iSeries isn't strategic to SAP - bull iSeries isn't growing with SAP - bull (actually by % it is the fastest growing platform) back to the gist of the MS comments in the article.... iSeries hardware is more expensive - sometimes yes, sometimes no - in our case it really wasn't.... iSeries is more expensive - bull - in our case it was by far the most affordable platform to run...... Customers buy Wintel platforms to save money - sometimes yes and sometime no.....in our case it would have cost us a small fortune........ _______________________________________________ This is the Non-Technical Discussion about the AS400 / iSeries (Midrange-NonTech) mailing list To post a message email: Midrange-NonTech@xxxxxxxxxxxx To subscribe, unsubscribe, or change list options, visit: http://lists.midrange.com/mailman/listinfo/midrange-nontech or email: Midrange-NonTech-request@xxxxxxxxxxxx Before posting, please take a moment to review the archives at http://archive.midrange.com/midrange-nontech. _______________________________________________ This is the Non-Technical Discussion about the AS400 / iSeries (Midrange-NonTech) mailing list To post a message email: Midrange-NonTech@xxxxxxxxxxxx To subscribe, unsubscribe, or change list options, visit: http://lists.midrange.com/mailman/listinfo/midrange-nontech or email: Midrange-NonTech-request@xxxxxxxxxxxx Before posting, please take a moment to review the archives at http://archive.midrange.com/midrange-nontech.
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