RE: Outsourcing "trend"

[michaelr_41@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx]

20 coders and 10 managers? Wow...nothing top heavy about that org chart.

On Thu, 22 Apr 2004 13:46:47 -0400, "Reeve" <news@xxxxxxxxxx> said:
> Exactly right!
> 
> You're now up to >= $.04...
> 
> I'm about to start leadership of an outsourced project with a
> well-respected
> Indian firm; we'll have 20 coders and 10 managers/supervisors working on
> making changes to my transportation/logistics system.  The Indian firm is
> making a fixed-price bid and guaranteeing a delivery date of the changes;
> this is a smart political move for the IT management of the U.S.-based
> division of an extremely well-disciplined worldwide company headquartered
> in
> the U.K.
> 
> The Indians I've worked with so far have been very competent.  The
> overwhelming issue will be the specifications; I predict >> rework not
> because of "them or us" but because of "them AND us".
> 
> Regards,
> Reeve Fritchman
> Ayers Rock Software LLC
> 4915 S. West Shore Boulevard
> Tampa, Florida 33611-3329
> (813) 831-8574 (voice)
> (813) 832-6391 (fax)
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: midrange-nontech-bounces+news=ltl400.com@xxxxxxxxxxxx
> > [mailto:midrange-nontech-bounces+news=ltl400.com@xxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf
> > Of John Myers - MM
> > Sent: Thursday, April 22, 2004 10:42 AM
> > To: Non-Technical Discussion about the AS400 / iSeries
> > Subject: Re: Outsourcing "trend"
> > 
> > I think that outsourcing to India will prove to be a "fad" ... something
> > that is fashionable for a short time, but whose popularity
> > evaporates.  This was a predictable follow-up to the advent of the
> Internet
> > and the glut in telecommunications capacity world-wide.  Today, in my
> > opinion, the pendulum has reached it's extreme and is starting to return
> to
> > the middle.
> > 
> > Sure, you used to be able to hire a programmer / help desk tech in
> > Bangalore for peanuts, but the boom has triggered a wave of job hopping
> ...
> > projects are suffering ... programmer wages are skyrocketing there ...
> > sounds like the USA in the late 1990's!
> > 
> > Outsourcing, in the long run, will be a viable strategy for large
> > corporations who can totally spec a system in writing and have huge
> > projects that keep the interest of the outsourcing firms.  Americans are
> > too used to doing things verbally without the discipline of firm written
> > specs (especially in all but the largest companies).  That is a formula
> for
> > disaster in systems development!
> > 
> > Small and Medium sized businesses, the heart of the AS/400 community, are
> > especially "spontaneous" in their systems development initiatives.
> > 
> > I'm just waiting for a rash of intellectual property lawsuits from
> software
> > companies who outsource overseas ... IP and business ethics are viewed
> > differently there ... it's difficult enough to sue someone in a different
> > region of the USA ... try to sue a foreign firm ... good luck!!!
> > 
> > There will be a series of changes that will come from this:
> >   - generic programmer salaries will be held in check (coders are becoming
> > commodities)
> >   - business knowledge and the ability to create precise written systems
> > designs will have increasing value
> >   - companies like IBM and Accenture will increase their presence in large
> > company IT budgets ... at the expense of USA-based programmer salaries
> > 
> > If you are concerned about your position being outsourced away, consider:
> >   - working for a small or medium sized business
> >   - working for a company (like mine) whose "staff value proposition" is
> > based on understanding the value of "local talent"
> >   - ensuring that you are viewed as more than a commodity coder (and
> > delivering that value every day ... NOT JUST "GOING THROUGH THE MOTIONS")
> >   - ensuring that you know your company's business processes, can design
> > precisely, and can put those designs in writing?
> > 
> > ' just my $.02 ...
> > 
> > John
> > 
> > John Myers
> > Strategic Business Systems, Inc.
> > 17 S. Franklin Turnpike, Ramsey, NJ 07446  USA
> > E-mail: mailto:jmyers@xxxxxxxxxx   Phone: +1 (201) 327-1780 x131
> > Web:    http://www.sbsusa.com      Fax:   +1 (201) 934-5684
> > 
> > At 09:41 AM 4/22/2004, you wrote:
> > >This was in our local paper this morning:
> > >
> > >http://www.indystar.com/articles/5/140262-9565-092.html
> > >
> > >  Chuck
> > 
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