Oh, I agree with you completely Mike and you bring back some forgotten thoughts :-) We got a coupon package for McDonald's or taken out to dinner. I can't remember which was BPCS and the CISC to RISC conversion :-) And that was/is one of the BIGGEST concerns with packaged software - mods... Our decision on BPCS was NO MODS unless absolutely necessary so that upgrades could be done with the least hassle. That made for some interesting "conversations". Of course that was right around the time of SSA's ill-timed Client/Server foray and we never upgraded and they still haven't (5 years now...). Ironically the Assistant Controller there quit a couple of years after all of that (he was a MAJOR player in getting everyone organized, etc.) for a better job opportunity (CFO) and about a year latter came after me. So we are here together. We did a UNIX to AS/400 homegrown to package deal here and things are MUCH better. We inherited it all from a CFO that got ticked with the owners and quit ("I'll hold my breath..." he was also the main IT guy, coder, etc.) and the bozo that was left in IT was literally a "chair warmer" and I'm a nice guy ! That was for Y2K. And all I have ever heard, read, etc. is that SAP installation is a money PIT; whether it eventually comes out OK or not... I'm checking around with some of my sources to try and find you some other large companies running SAP on iSeries. Chuck -----Original Message----- From: midrange-nontech-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:midrange-nontech-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Mike.Crump@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2003 10:45 AM To: Non-Technical Discussion about the AS400 / iSeries Subject: RE: SAP Chuck, I thought I would try this first and see the responses.....I try to be a really good citizen with Midrange-L.......but this is legitimate. Your situation wasn't probably not much different than ours. We have issues with our homegrown system that SAP can address.......in the long run it will probably be the best but will it ROI? According to some analysts....over 50% of the SAP projects don't generate a positive ROI. Will it be disruptive? Definitely. Is this company at risk of not managing the project properly? Yes. When discussing things like SAP or another ERP system I always have a few concerns: 1.) with home grown software the company has received what they have paid for. Think what you could do with an infusion of cash and effort....... 2.) despite being flexible I still think of packaged software as being concrete ware..... A. If the software doesn't do what we want....what is to be done....not do it, modify it, wait, etc. B. Our customers demands for modifications now become one voice in ten's of thousands..... 3.) I've been through a number of major conversions....long nights, weekends, double duties, etc. Not to sound greedy but let me recall what I've received for going above and beyond the call of duty.....oh yes, a pat on the back from the CEO at the Christmas party and the dinner certificate...... :-) Not that I want to start another whole thread.....your advice is well taken...I'm just going to make sure I go in with as much knowledge as possible...... Chuck Lewis <clewis@xxxxxxxxx To: Non-Technical Discussion about the AS400 / t> iSeries <midrange-nontech@xxxxxxxxxxxx> cc: 12/02/03 10:27 AM bcc: Please respond to Subject: RE: SAP Non-Technical Discussion about the AS400 / iSeries Mike, I'd seriously consider posting this to Midrange-L and Ignite/400 ! And good luck. I was in a similar situation years ago at a place that was going from home grown to BPCS. As you well know, no matter how you feel, you have to tread carefully and size up all the players internally so as not to be perceived in a negative light. Not a fun "game". I had no doubt that we had outgrown our internally developed system, but it got to the point that any questioning of BPCS (and this was before the decision was even made) was not well received because of some BPCS bigot that had been hired... Chuck _______________________________________________ This is the Non-Technical Discussion about the AS400 / iSeries (Midrange-NonTech) mailing list To post a message email: Midrange-NonTech@xxxxxxxxxxxx To subscribe, unsubscribe, or change list options, visit: http://lists.midrange.com/mailman/listinfo/midrange-nontech or email: Midrange-NonTech-request@xxxxxxxxxxxx Before posting, please take a moment to review the archives at http://archive.midrange.com/midrange-nontech.
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