On what does your CFO bias his opinion? The claims of the SAP consultants?


Paul Nelson
Arbor Solutions, Inc.
708-670-6978  Cell
pnelson@xxxxxxxxxx

"Courage is contagious. When a brave man takes a stand, the spines of 
others are often stiffened." ~~ Billy Graham




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Trust me I am well aware of the risks involved with this.....we estimated
two years ago that the cost would be $35 million and 18 months.  Now our
CFO claims that we can do it for $8 to $15 and be done in 12.............

:-)

If it wasn't for the SAP experience I think I would get the heck out of
Dodge......

One major factor to help simplify the process and reduce some of the risk
is to keep it on the right platform....so anyone what knows of a $800m or
higher company that is using SAP on the iSeries would be greatly
appreciated.  IBM references aren't worth a nickel at this time......






  
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I recall a story that was told to me by the owner of a large homebuilder
(4,000 homes per year) about a bigger homebuilder that put in SAP. Three
years and $35 million into the project, they were still not running
"live".


Paul Nelson
Arbor Solutions, Inc.
708-670-6978  Cell
pnelson@xxxxxxxxxx

"Courage is contagious. When a brave man takes a stand, the spines of
others are often stiffened." ~~ Billy Graham




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Michael,

I don't have anything direct but do have a niece, nephew and his wife
that work in IT for Pioneer Hi-Bred International (www.pioneer.com).
They tell me that SAP is successfully used along with a lot of other
major packages.

You also might check the archives here. I recall a lot of discussions
about companies spending _years_ and _millions_ to get SAP up without
actually making it there.

Good Luck.

Roger Vicker, CCP

On 12/1/2003 9:17 AM, Mike.Crump@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx wrote:

>Since IBM's information on this subject is rather pitiful....does anyone
>know of any medium to large companies running SAP on the iSeries?  I've
>come across a few references but not very many.  It looks like SAP is
more
>and more in our future so I'd like to start collecting data on the
subject
>ASAP.  We have a CFO who has a perception that it's best run
elsewhere.....
>
>
>
>Michael Crump
>Manager, Computing Services
>Saint-Gobain Containers
>1509 S. Macedonia Ave.
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>(800)428-8642
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>"I shall often go wrong through defect of judgement.  When right, I shall
>often be thought wrong by those whose positions will not command a view
of
>the whole ground.  I ask your indulgence for my own errors, which will
>never be intentional, and your support against the errors of others, who
>may condemn what they would not if seen in all its parts."  Thomas
>Jefferson
>
>
>

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