Re: Best Practice Question

So, if a directory (tree) with IBM objects is missing (due to e. g. a

Restore 21 happening prior), those are recreated? When? At IPL time? At the
right time — when they are requested by whatever?

Depends on your definition of "IPL time" and/or "the right time". I don't
count "IPL time" as only the contents of the program in QSTRUPPGM. There's
a lot done before, and after, that. Autostart job entries in subsystems
are just one example. So basically I would assume that the stuff in a
...smtp... directory would get recreated when smtp starts up.

On Thu, Aug 21, 2025 at 10:10 AM Patrik Schindler <poc@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Hello Jim,

thanks for that highly interesting insight!


Am 21.08.2025 um 15:33 schrieb Jim Oberholtzer <
midrangel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>:

The answer to your last question is yes, there will be objects not in

tape that were on the partition during the save.

Yuck!

That said, IBM marks objects to not back up it knows the system can

recreate.

That generates more questions. :-)

A better way to look at it is an object can be built be the OS and used

by the OS is an IBM object, I refer to them as “IBM objects”. Any object
that might contain “user data” meaning not created and maintained by the OS
is a “User Object” (meaning not IBMs) something that needs to be saved.
This holds true regardless of its storage location and it it is structured
or unstructured data.

Understood.

So, if a directory (tree) with IBM objects is missing (due to e. g. a
Restore 21 happening prior), those are recreated? When? At IPL time? At the
right time — when they are requested by whatever?

IBM does create objects that get user data in them (ie: http

configuration files) and those are “user data” objects.

Are these also excluded from saves with attributes? If no — all fine. If
yes — drat!

:wq! PoC

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