Re: Goggle and LSA (less secure apps) -- MIDRANGE-L

We've had many issues with these sorts of things as well, both for IBM i and MFP devices. It's the same mess on eg Microsoft 365. What we ended up doing was using a transactional email provider for automated emails, and update our DNS records to add them to SPF/DKIM/DMARC.

I've personally have used https://www.scaleway.com/en/transactional-email-tem/ for smaller environments, and in larger environments with a framework agreement with MS for Azure/M365/etc. I've used https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/azure/communication-services/concepts/email/email-overview before. I presume AWS/GCP will have similar options.

For me, the scaleway solution worked well for smaller environments - you get a SMTP server from them, and you create an API key and associate it with an application, and use those for authentication credentials. For MFP's we've created individual keys for each MFP and put them all in a group so we can use the built-in monitoring to see what happens wrt. Email delivery and volume, and for applications themselves we work per-application. It also keeps track of how many emails get rejected and why, so you can troubleshoot this.

On 12/07/2024, 01:14, "MIDRANGE-L on behalf of Jeff Crosby" <midrange-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:midrange-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> on behalf of jlcrosby@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:jlcrosby@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>> wrote:

My reply to google was:

"Are you sure of that? The blog does not specifically state that long time
users are exempt."

I live in literalvile.

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On Thu, Jul 11, 2024 at 7:10 PM Jeff Crosby <jlcrosby@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:jlcrosby@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>>
wrote:

James, who in heaven's name is Mr Crosby?

From Google:

*"Hello Jeff Crosby,*

*Thank you for contacting Google Workspace Support.I am Naveen and I am
working with you through this issue. I hope this message finds you well and
that you are having a great day.The blog you have shared is about Disabling
less secure Apps for the new users. The users who enables less secure apps
earlier can able to access them, but the new users who were added
recently/purchased Google workspace subscription will not be able to use
less secure apps. Instead they can use 2 step-verification and app
passwords for configuration of any SMTP. SMTP-relay, third party services,
etc. It wont affect the old users who are using it for a long time ( before
the published date of the article/update). we suggest one thing that, since
you are a smtp-relay user with the help of less secure apps, we are
requesting you to not turn off less secure apps from your admin console.
Once, it is turned off, you will not get that feature again, as it was
removed from the admin console for the new users.I hope you understand.
Have a great day!*

* Sincerely,*

*ShaikGoogle Workspace Support"*

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On Thu, Jul 11, 2024 at 6:27 PM Don Brown via MIDRANGE-L <
midrange-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:midrange-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>> wrote:

We have used SMTP2GO for email relay and it has been reliable and cost
effective.

https://www.smtp2go.com/ <https://www.smtp2go.com/>

Just another option.

Cheers

Don

From: "James H. H. Lampert via MIDRANGE-L"
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Date: 12/07/2024 08:22 AM
Subject: Re: Goggle and LSA (less secure apps)
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Some comments on this thread:

1. I'd completely forgotten about setting this up, but it appears that
we have our programmatically-generated emails from our cloud box going
through smtp-relay.gmail.com (which was a big upgrade from just sending
them out directly, and hoping they'd find their way to their recipients).

2. I've just been informed that Amazon has something called Amazon
Simple Email Service, and we are evidently already in the process of
migrating our cloud-based (non-Midrange, but Midrange-friendly) CRM
product to use that service to send email. I don't know much of anything
about it (least of all, whether it's at all Midrange-friendly), and
liteally only heard of it a few minutes ago.

3. Thanks for bringing this subject up, Mr. Crosby. I suspect that I'll
probably have to reconfigure T-Bird on my work Mac before the end of
September, because I don't *think* I've got it set up for OAuth.

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JHHL
(About the only good thing I have to say about GMail's web-mail
interface is that it's slightly less clunky than my ISP's web-mail
interface. Then again, the only web-mail interface I've ever *actually
liked* was something called Squirrel Mail, which my previous ISP used.)
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