× The internal search function is temporarily non-functional. The current search engine is no longer viable and we are researching alternatives.
As a stop gap measure, we are using Google's custom search engine service.
If you know of an easy to use, open source, search engine ... please contact support@midrange.com.

The OP noted that they were not looking for "just a screen scraper" which - unless I've missed something - is what the listed solutions are. Presto supposedly offers some Open Access enabled extension but that may be just a way of introducing NewLook.

ProfoundUI, NewLook, Asna Wings, and Icebreak are the four options I know of.

CNX's Valence and Nitro App builder are nice tools that facilitate building modern interfaces while staying with RPG. Great support and reasonable pricing - good free demo too. I use Nitro for ad-hoc apps that I need in a hurry.

These days the focus is on API enabling existing code and building new front ends using node, python or php. There are a number of tools in that area including Profound, Rocket, Midrange Dynamics and Eradani to name a few.

Jon P.

On May 26, 2022, at 1:01 PM, Bobby Adams <bobby_adams@xxxxxxx> wrote:

Hi Jerry,

We just went through a process of trialing three solutions. A colleague did most of the work and I am enclosing his response below because he isn't on this list.



We did a trial of Genie by Profound Logic, aXes by Lansa, and Presto by Fresche Solutions. (We ultimately went with Presto.)

Genie is normally sold as part of the very expensive Profound UI, but they will give you a quote for Genie in standalone if you ask. Genie and aXes were comparable in price, while Presto is potentially cheaper depending on the number of seats you want (only Presto is seat-based; the other two are priced by your IBM i processor); also ask Fresche about adding on individual seats if you're somewhere between the seat counts they offer. Also, you'll find Presto's annual maintenance is cheaper because they price it off a fraction of the initial purchase not counting the training package, whereas the other two base their maintenance fees on a percentage of the entire purchase (including training).

In terms of features and ease of use, Genie was the simplest and most straightforward, but I felt it was a bit too simple, and its out-of-the-box page transformations were the least impressive of the three. But it's probably the easiest to learn, and you could still do a lot in it by adding in custom CSS and JavaScript. You may also find that when Profound Logic gives you a demo of Genie, they may mention downsides of Genie to try to push you toward Profound UI, so take that as you will.

aXes seemed okay overall, but I didn't love some aspects of the editor (your mileage may vary). Their sales and support people seemed plenty helpful, but their tutorials could use some work. I had difficulty trying to get a FileMaker Pro web viewer to make use of aXes's JavaScript functions, but that probably wouldn't be a dealbreaker for most customers, and there was a workaround if I felt like putting the development time in. I also thought aXes put a bit too much emphasis on global substitutions (AutoGUI), but overall it seems like a competent product that I wouldn't discourage anyone from trying. Oh, they also had a nice spool file manager.

Presto was really the winner for us when it came to the balance of advanced features and ease of use. The out-of-the-box transformations are pleasant without any customization on your part, but you can also use their drag-and-drop Visual Editor (Windows only) for making plenty of transformations, or you can add custom JavaScript to control even more complex transformations (not necessary in many cases, but nice that it's there). And their support team has been outstanding in terms of responsiveness and helpfulness regarding troubleshooting or just brainstorming ways to do something new you're trying to implement.

The biggest downside to Presto in my opinion is their documentation, which comes in the form of a nearly 600-page PDF (though they seemed interested in my critiques/suggestions regarding the documentation). The PDF has a lot of content (and some fluff), and it covers a lot of what I was interested in learning regarding custom JavaScript add-ons, but there are some functions that you'd only learn about digging through Knowledge Base articles (they'll give you a MyFrescheSolutions.com <http://MyFrescheSolutions.com> account to access these during your trial), or from speaking with support. (You could also try your hand at dissecting presto.js, which comes minified but not obfuscated.) But because support is so helpful, if you tell them something you're trying to do and it involves a function you don't know about, you will definitely know all about it by the time you're done with them.

A few other points of comparison: Genie and aXes use web-based editors, while Presto's editor is a Windows-only program. Also, in both Genie and aXes, you can define separate customization projects ("skins" or "themes") and switch between them to your liking. In Presto, you'd need two different Presto installs with their own libraries and IFS folders, which makes it seem kind of cumbersome to promote between a development and production environment (we haven't tried to set this up yet). I don't love that, but we went with Presto because of its many other benefits.

Overall, I'd say try a trial of aXes and Presto and see if either one clicks with you better, and make sure to ask some questions of their support teams to see what kinds of responses you get. If you have time for a third trial or if the other two seem way too complicated, then try Genie.

There's also a much, much cheaper option called greenscreens.io <http://greenscreens.io>, but you're going to be doing pretty much everything yourself in JavaScript with that option. Here's a link to their API docs: https://www.greenscreens.io/doc/api/

On 5/24/2022 14:08, (WalzCraft) Jerry Forss wrote:
Hi All,

I am looking for recommendations on packages we can use to modernize from Green Screen to GUI.
I am not looking for just a screen scraper although it could be used during the conversion.

We got a price from Profound and it is WAY too expensive for a 1-2 developer shop.
I know it is wonderful product but there is no way I am even going to present it to the owner, just not cost effective for 1-2 developers.

Looking for what are all the options and why you like them.
Want as little current RPG code changes as possible but will do what is needed to move forward.

Vendor opinions are welcome.

Subject to Change Notice:

WalzCraft reserves the right to improve designs, and to change specifications without notice.

Confidentiality Notice:

This message and any attachments may contain confidential and privileged information that is protected by law. The information contained herein is transmitted for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and should "only" pertain to "WalzCraft" company matters. If you are not the intended recipient or designated agent of the recipient of such information, you are hereby notified that any use, dissemination, copying or retention of this email or the information contained herein is strictly prohibited and may subject you to penalties under federal and/or state law. If you received this email in error, please notify the sender immediately and permanently delete this email. Thank You

WalzCraft PO Box 1748 La Crosse, WI, 54602-1748
www.walzcraft.com<http://www.walzcraft.com> Phone: 1-800-237-1326
This is the Midrange Systems Technical Discussion (MIDRANGE-L) mailing list
To post a message email: MIDRANGE-L@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
To subscribe, unsubscribe, or change list options,
visit: https://lists.midrange.com/mailman/listinfo/midrange-l
or email: MIDRANGE-L-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Before posting, please take a moment to review the archives
at https://archive.midrange.com/midrange-l.

Please contact support@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx for any subscription related questions.

Help support midrange.com by shopping at amazon.com with our affiliate link: https://amazon.midrange.com

As an Amazon Associate we earn from qualifying purchases.

This thread ...


Follow On AppleNews
Return to Archive home page | Return to MIDRANGE.COM home page

This mailing list archive is Copyright 1997-2023 by midrange.com and David Gibbs as a compilation work. Use of the archive is restricted to research of a business or technical nature. Any other uses are prohibited. Full details are available on our policy page. If you have questions about this, please contact [javascript protected email address].

Operating expenses for this site are earned using the Amazon Associate program and Google Adsense.