Re: Getting ready for the (far?) future -- MIDRANGE-L

I've seen that, Rob. I don't think it's vendor foul. But when you
initiate SWMA payment a month ahead of time, IBM drags their feet, passes
the time and then charges you a late fee, that's vendor foul. Happened to
me once... almost twice but I told them "don't you dare even think about a
late fee this time... I contacted you 45 days in advance this time!"

Anyhow, my main concern is will I be stuck on V7R4/5/x on my p8 when I with
the load it has would run a newer OS without issue I'm forced to buy new
hardware (I actually may go to the cloud instead, though)...

Get the thermite!! :)

Bradley V. Stone
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On Mon, Feb 24, 2020 at 11:31 AM Rob Berendt <rob@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

There has been several cases of people including dropping vendor support
along with software and hardware maintenance. Then when they do try to
upgrade they are hit with back fees and penalties much more than just
paying the current list for the software (which is an option forbidden to
them by the vendor). They cry "vendor foul!" even though the vendor,
press, this list, etc all have told them.

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On Mon, Feb 24, 2020 at 11:11 AM B Stone <bvstone@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

So, they shell out big $$ for new hardware to get lower ? yearly
maintenance?

Yes, the maintenance cost was so high on our old machine that the new
machine paid for itself in three years.

I guess since I'm mainly a programmer I don't follow the hardware things
that much.

I don't really follow hardware either, but we're a small shop and the
ones who do look after the system explained what they were doing and
why. The old machine wouldn't have run an OS beyond 6.1, so hardware
and software are always intertwined to some extent.

I will say that I *guess* some very small or cash-strapped outfits
might actually just not pay maintenance, and then simply accept that
if something goes wrong, they don't have IBM support. The systems are
reliable enough that maybe some businesses can operate this way, and
thus save a huge amount of cost for as long as there are no
catastrophic failures. I dunno.

John Y.
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