Re: Delayed email (sent through QtmmSendMail, either directly or via MMail) -- MIDRANGE-L

OP is (or seems to want to) use GMail. That's SSL or TLS. Not port 25.

There are some mail services that still allow you to use port 25 without
SSL or TLS, but most do require authentication (ie, User and PW).

That Telnet example is a good example of how emails used to be sent with an
Exchange server with no authentication or encryption and doesn't apply to
most shops today. Or it shouldn't.

Bradley V. Stone
www.bvstools.com
MAILTOOL Benefit #17 <https://www.bvstools.com/mailtool.html>: Compatible
with Google/Gmail/G Suite, Outlook.com, Microsoft Office 365 as well as
most other SMTP servers and relays. No tricks, gimmicks or relays needed.
MAILTOOL is set up just like a PC or mobile device with the appropriate
outgoing mail router information and well as the proper authentication.

On Mon, Feb 25, 2019 at 3:32 PM Rob Berendt <rob@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

I have used a technique similar to this
https://www.wikihow.com/Send-Email-Using-Telnet
for some testing.
Replacing the DOS telnet command with
TELNET RMTSYS(MAIL.DOMAIN.COM) PORT(25)
You may have to use a service like
http://www.zmailer.org/mxverify-cgi.html
to figure out a MX server to use in the RMTSYS() parameter.
Kind of funny to see that service use those same telnet commands, and show
them to you, as part of their test.
Just don't expect to use backspace to correct any typos. You'll probably
have to start over. Or RSET.

-----Original Message-----
From: MIDRANGE-L <midrange-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> On Behalf Of Jon
Paris
Sent: Monday, February 25, 2019 4:00 PM
To: Midrange Systems Technical Discussion <midrange-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: Delayed email (sent through QtmmSendMail, either directly or
via MMail)

Just to add further to what Brad has said.

The other problem of sending the emails directly is that increasingly
recipients are demanding higher verification levels through the DNS entries
among other things.

The switch to managed servers such as gmail and Office365 has exacerbated
this and emails that used to reach an address will often fail to do so
after the recipient switches to (say) a gmail hosted server. We gave up
trying in the end - meeting the ever changing requirements was costing more
than the monthly cost of a gmail server and using that for all outbound
traffic. A few $s a month and all my problem emails disappeared. Or rather
they didn't disappear - they actually got to the recipient in a meaningful
timeframe!

Jon Paris

www.partner400.com
www.SystemiDeveloper.com

On Feb 25, 2019, at 2:39 PM, B Stone <bvstone@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

On Mon, Feb 25, 2019 at 1:22 PM James H. H. Lampert <
jamesl@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

I've managed to find the QZMF journal, but I'm not having much luck
making sense of the entries, and the Knowledge Center page on the
subject isn't helping.

Some other thoughts:
If I have

Mail router . . . . . . . . . . *NONE

then where does the outgoing email go, directly out of our box? Our
ISP's SMTP server? Someplace I don't know about?

Directly to the recipient's mail server.

Normal: IBM i ----> Email Server/Router ---> recipient (good)

You: IBM i ----> recipient (bad)

Normally email will go from your box to your mail router. In the old
days that was an Exchange server. A lot these days use a cloud
service like Office 365 or GMail.

Once at the mail router/service, then the mail is delivered to the
recipient.

Exchange servers were easy to get email working with. There as
normally no authentication or encryption (ssl/tls).

Office 365 and Gmail and other cloud servers require authentication
and encryption.

Why use a mail router? So email is funneled through one server to every
possible recipient you want to send to. Any PC, Mac, tablet, Phone, and
even your IBM i should funnel email through that mail router. That
mail router is normally set up so it's trusted by end recipients using
reverse DNS and other means. Things we don't want to have to worry

about.

Its just like giving your mail to the mail man, and then having them
deliver it, vs you putting every piece of mail directly in the
recipients mail box/PO box.

I deal with this many times a week with customer. "It's always worked
before" is the one answer I get from all of them. Why? Because
before it wasn't a big deal. Now with the cloud services things are a

lot different.

MAILTOOL has worked with cloud servers for over 15 years. Since I
needed it with GMail back then.

You have a couple options...

1. Call IBM and ask them to help you set it up.
2. Use a 3rd party product, like MAILTOOL, and be done with it.

#2 shouldn't take more than 30 minutes to get set up and installed and
working. Very cheap too.

More reading:
https://www.fieldexit.com/forum/display?threadid=425

I put that article together as a FAQ for my customers and others with
questions on how to set things up so things will work as expected.

Bradley V. Stone

www.bvstools.com
Need to interface with Braintree with your IBM i? Contact me
<https://www.bvstools.com/contact.html> for more information!
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