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Re: Object changed date different in 7.2 -or- 7.3

I think a save is the key. In both of my cases the files had been saved
since last changed.


Kevin was right. Evault backups can be configured UPDHST to *NO or *YES.
Our Evault backups were set to *NO because we used to do a full BRMS save
nightly, which I wanted thought of as the "real" backup. Yesterday I had
them change it to UPDHST(*YES).

Today I went in and did the exact same CRUD operation on both system that I
did yesterday.

On the 7.3 system the object changed date WAS changed. Yesterday the
object changed date was NOT changed.
On the 7.1 system the object changed date was NOT changed. Yesterday the
object changed date WAS changed.

That's because the file on the 7.3 system was saved since yesterday with
UPDHST(*YES) and the file on the 7.1 system was not saved since yesterday.

So 7.3 and 7.1 act the same in this regard.




On Thu, Mar 22, 2018 at 10:42 AM, Rob Berendt <rob@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Save/Restore information:
Save date/time . . . . . . . . . . . : 03/10/18 11:18:41


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From: Rob Berendt <rob@xxxxxxxxx>
To: Midrange Systems Technical Discussion <midrange-l@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: 03/22/2018 10:40 AM
Subject: Re: Object changed date different in 7.2 -or- 7.3
Sent by: "MIDRANGE-L" <midrange-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx>



Too bad the file has never been journaled. If it had been you could have
checked the journal to see if any operations were performed on it in
addition to the basic CRUD.

On my 7.3 system I ran

DSPOBJD OBJ(ROB/A) OBJTYPE(*FILE)
Change date was old.

upddta rob/a
I inserted one row.

DSPOBJD OBJ(ROB/A) OBJTYPE(*FILE)
Change date is updated.

DSPJRN JRN(#MXJRN/USERS) FROMTIME(032218 102650)
Sequence Code Type Object Library Job Time
1983386 R PT A ROB ROBS1 10:27:14
1983387 U 00 EDH_H1_SND 10:27:14

So, did the first action update the change date,
or did the flag used by Quick-EDD to say it's been processed change the
change date? Then again, there's nothing in that second journal entry
which specifically mentions that file. Therefore why would it change the
change date?

So this should confuse everyone. Now Jeff is probably wondering why my
system updates DSPOBJD and his doesn't.


Rob Berendt
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Kendallville, IN 46755
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From: Jeff Crosby <jlcrosby@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: Midrange Systems Technical Discussion <midrange-l@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: 03/22/2018 10:20 AM
Subject: Re: Object changed date different in 7.2 -or- 7.3
Sent by: "MIDRANGE-L" <midrange-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx>



That UPDDTA thing I did and posted about a few messages back?

I went onto the 7.1 system, did the exact same thing to a file in a *TEST
library that has never been journaled.

It caused the changed date to change.


On Thu, Mar 22, 2018 at 10:15 AM, Rob Berendt <rob@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

<snip>
Maybe check your journals and see if there's something else happening in
addition to the row operation.
</snip>

That's a good idea. I know he journals.


Rob Berendt
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Garrett, IN 46738
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From: Justin Taylor <JUSTIN@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: Midrange Systems Technical Discussion <midrange-l@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: 03/22/2018 10:07 AM
Subject: RE: Object changed date different in 7.2 -or- 7.3
Sent by: "MIDRANGE-L" <midrange-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx>



I can't explain what you're seeing. All I can say is check out the IBM
doc I just posted. It covers 6.1 thru 7.3.

Maybe check your journals and see if there's something else happening in
addition to the row operation.




-----Original Message-----
From: Jeff Crosby [mailto:jlcrosby@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2018 8:53 AM
To: Midrange Systems Technical Discussion <midrange-l@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: Object changed date different in 7.2 -or- 7.3

What kind of change happens with your tables? Simple CRUD operations
don’t change the "Change date/time" on the object.

Yes they do in 7.1.

I still have access to the old 7.1 system via the console. I updated a
single record in a file via UPDDTA, then changed that record back. The
object change date got changed.

Then I did the exact same thing to the exact same file on the 7.3
system.
The object change date did NOT get changed.

So 7.1 and 7.3 are different in that regard. No idea of 7.2 as we
skipped
it entirely.

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