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RE: Perm vs Temp PTF applies

Other than the issue you mentioned about maybe needing to IPL from A to bypass a bad PTF is there any other advantage to do a more frequent perm apply? Does it reduced time for a SAVSYS? Does it make IPL any faster? Does it save on disk space?

Mike Cunningham

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From: MIDRANGE-L [mailto:midrange-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Steve Pitcher
Sent: Monday, March 05, 2018 10:58 AM
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Subject: RE: Perm vs Temp PTF applies

Many of our MSP clients apply new PTFs twice a year. There's a nice cadence...apply temp, three months later apply perm, three months later apply temp, and so on.



Steve Pitcher
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From: MIDRANGE-L [mailto:midrange-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Mike Cunningham
Sent: Monday, March 5, 2018 11:55 AM
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Subject: RE: Perm vs Temp PTF applies

Steve, how often do you do a perm apply for PFTs? We normally only do that prior to a release upgrade (next time would be when we install 7.4) or if IBM tells us we have to for some reason. May not be 5 years between do a perm apply but could be 2-3 years. Do you do one once a year, once every six months, each time you are about to install a cumulative PFT group?

Mike Cunningham
Penn College

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From: MIDRANGE-L [mailto:midrange-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Steve Pitcher
Sent: Monday, March 05, 2018 10:50 AM
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Subject: RE: Perm vs Temp PTF applies

Exactly my point. If you're regular on applying PTFs but haven't perm applied in 5 years then your A side recovery option isn't worth much.




Steve Pitcher
iTech Solutions
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From: MIDRANGE-L [mailto:midrange-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Rob Berendt
Sent: Monday, March 5, 2018 10:16 AM
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Subject: RE: Perm vs Temp PTF applies

When does one have to IPL from the A side, except to bypass a bad PTF which is only temp applied?


Rob Berendt
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From: Steve Pitcher <SPitcher@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: Midrange Systems Technical Discussion <midrange-l@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: 03/05/2018 09:12 AM
Subject: RE: Perm vs Temp PTF applies
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Regular perm apply is a good idea. If you ever have to IPL from the A side it certainly helps.



Steve Pitcher
iTech Solutions
Office: (203) 744-7854 Ext. 176
Mobile: (902) 301-0810
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From: MIDRANGE-L [mailto:midrange-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Justin Taylor
Sent: Monday, March 5, 2018 9:58 AM
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Subject: RE: Perm vs Temp PTF applies

We only explicitly perm apply as part of OS upgrades.



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From: Robert Hooper [mailto:rthooperjr@xxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Friday, March 02, 2018 7:28 PM
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Subject: Perm vs Temp PTF applies

So I've run across something interesting. I was talking with someone about applying the latest cume / group PTF on a V7R1 server that has not had PTF's applied in over 3 years. When I asked if the existing PTF's had been perm applied, the response I got was that they never apply the PTF's perm but keep applying temp.

Does anyone else do this? I've always done the apply cume temp, let it bake until the next pack comes out, apply perm before SAVSYS (at least), then apply next cume pack.

Is this not the way of PTF care and feeding?

Thanks

Robert

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