Re: Acquiring a used IBM i Server - (repost)

There are so so many reasons this won't happen. Just the OS is not good. You need compilers and optimizers and Db2 and ...

Be nice though - but then when you consider that they still won't make CGIDEV2 open source even though it has only been distributed by a third party for a decade or more ...


Jon Paris

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On Feb 3, 2018, at 1:12 PM, Jack Woehr <jwoehr@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Or they could open source IBM i OS :)

On Sat, Feb 3, 2018 at 11:09 AM, DrFranken <midrange@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Agreed that it SHOULD be in there but it's NOT just software, nor is it
simple. Consider machines with multiple partitions, the firmware has to be
there to add it up. Otherwise you'd just install 20 partitions on your one
core each with those 2 users. :-)

Then consider this. A while back I was listening to an IBMer speak to a
group of users. "You all think that IBM can't count. Well that's not
correct, we CAN count, in fact IBM is very good at counting. What we have
an issue with is WHEN to count. For example, when do we count a user? We
don't count our internal users such as QSECOFR or QPGMR because we use
those in the O/S so it's probably not fair to charge you for those. But
should we count the user APOWNER which never signs on and does not do any
work as it is used simply to own all the objects for an application? Our
users think we should not. But do we count user IAN twice when he's signed
on to the system two times, how about three, or thirty? Our users say no
again because multiple sessions are useful. Some say 'well if they all come
from the same IP address that means they are one user." I'm not a network
expert but I'm told desktop virtualization can make many users appear at
the same IP and so can this thing NAT. So that doesn't work either. If we
allowed this we get the entire company signing on as the one user IAN to
avoid additional user charges. Finally consider the many web applications
where the user doesn't even sign on, how do we count those? You see it's
not cut and dried and that's our conundrum."

Check Microsoft. How do they enforce user and device CALs on their
servers??

- Larry "DrFranken" Bolhuis

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On 2/3/2018 12:19 PM, Bradley Stone wrote:

If they can't do it, then their infrastructure for licensing is poor and
needs updating.

It should be all software based for licensing. Should be a license key
that activates or deactivates certain features, CPU, etc.

But when you get an invoice from IBM you remember they are still in the
80s
as far as that goes.

Sometimes I think they (and others.. not just IBM) worry more about making
"big bucks" they forget that a nice small continuous trickle of money can
in the end be better than a few big sales.

But what would I know... ;)

Bradley V. Stone
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