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RE: Migrating extant system to new hardware

Jack,

I did a P5 V6R1 to P7 V6R1 back in 2012.
The P7 has 100% solid state drives, the P7 restore was much faster then the P5 save.
I had the new P7 already running and configured in a test mode.
I actually tested the migration several times.
My biggest issue was some items were being omitted from the system save (QLNKOMTS) , those items failed to install.
Make sure nothing is being omitted and everything is marked to be saved.

I was instructed to use:
Appendix D. Recovering your system to a different system
From System i: Systems management Recovering your system

Here's another good link.
Steps to SLIP Install the Licensed Internal Code

http://www-01.ibm.com/support/docview.wss?uid=nas8N1018561

Paul

-----Original Message-----
From: MIDRANGE-L [mailto:midrange-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Jack Woehr
Sent: Wednesday, December 20, 2017 1:49 PM
To: Midrange Systems Technical Discussion
Subject: Re: Migrating extant system to new hardware

Thanks, Jim, Rob, everyone who replied!

On Wed, Dec 20, 2017 at 11:31 AM, Rob Berendt <rob@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Oh, and the little stuff, like changing your line descriptions from
CMN02 to CMN01 or some such thing, is just something you can do after
the restore. No big deal. Either change the configuration object or
wizard yourself around in SST to change the resource name. (I've done
it both
ways.) Like I always change TAPMLB01 resource to something to match
what I want.


Rob Berendt
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From: Rob Berendt <rob@xxxxxxxxx>
To: Midrange Systems Technical Discussion <midrange-l@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: 12/20/2017 01:24 PM
Subject: Re: Migrating extant system to new hardware
Sent by: "MIDRANGE-L" <midrange-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx>



I would restore OS and all from your tape.
There is a warning in the backup and recovery manual about restoring
to a different system.
Appendix D is the classic Bible on doing an unload/reload to a
different system.
The thing you are concerned about is:
<snip>
If you are restoring to a different system, or a different logical
partition, you must specify
ALWOBJDIF(*ALL) or ALWOBJDIF(*COMPATIBLE) on the RSTxxx commands and
SRM(*NONE) on the Restore Configuration (RSTCFG) command.
</snip>
Or from the menu restore option pay attention to <snip> On the Specify
Command Defaults display, enter the name of the tape drive that you
are using for the restore.
Set Prompt for command to N.
Set Message queue delivery to *NOTIFY.
Set Restore to different system to Y.
Set Spooled file data to *NEW.
</snip>
especially the "Restore to different system" prompt This will change
the defaults to match the commands above.
https://www.ibm.com/support/knowledgecenter/en/ssw_ibm_i_
71/rzarm/rzarmsteps2.htm


Failure to change SRM can <expletive deleted> up your system, big time.

Of course, BRMS prints a nice recovery checklist which I've actually
used to do unload/reload from P6 to P8.
Jim scoff's at the idea of using BRMS to do a planned unload/reload
because he's so comfortable doing these. And he may be right. Me? I
figure it was a good test of their recovery procedures.

Basically, just follow the fine manual. They did not write this
manual for people like Jim, Larry, Pete. They wrote it for the masses.



Rob Berendt
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From: Jack Woehr <jwoehr@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: Midrange Systems Technical Discussion <midrange-l@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: 12/20/2017 12:56 PM
Subject: Re: Migrating extant system to new hardware
Sent by: "MIDRANGE-L" <midrange-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx>



Ok, so it sounds like in the end what I want to do is to save
everything on tape, install the same level OS on the target box, and
do a restore from physical tape.

Is there anything I should *omit* from the restore because these are
two different p-series boxes? Will my device setup be screwed up?
(Aside from changing IP address)?

On Wed, Dec 20, 2017 at 10:52 AM, Rob Berendt <rob@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Jack,

For example, certain tape libraries are incapable of being IPL'd from.
You
IPL from DVD. But you do not install one thing from the DVD. You
install
from your alternate installation device.
I "think" the OS must be the same. So you can't IPL from a 7.3 DVD
and use 7.1 tape in your alternate installation device. In fact, I
think
I've
been burned by this.
Probably another good reason to keep a recent resave of your OS on
physical media. Might as well leave it in your DVD drive. I just
may
do
that next time I go the the remote DC.


Rob Berendt
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From: Jack Woehr <jwoehr@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: Midrange Systems Technical Discussion <midrange-l@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: 12/20/2017 12:38 PM
Subject: Re: Migrating extant system to new hardware
Sent by: "MIDRANGE-L" <midrange-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx>




Again: "alternate IPL device" vs "alternate installation device".
Would that make a difference?


My head hurtz ... :)

On Wed, Dec 20, 2017 at 10:31 AM, Rob Berendt <rob@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Again: "alternate IPL device" vs "alternate installation device".
Would that make a difference?


Rob Berendt
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From: DrFranken <midrange@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: Midrange Systems Technical Discussion
<midrange-l@xxxxxxxxxxxx>,
Rob Berendt <rob@xxxxxxxxx>
Date: 12/20/2017 11:47 AM
Subject: Re: Migrating extant system to new hardware
Sent by: "MIDRANGE-L" <midrange-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx>



I have never hit a limit of virtual optical total capacity of the
image
catalog and I have migrated multi-TB systems this way.

The biggest thing is having enough disk space.

The second is enough network to push it all.

The third is a place to boot the new system from whether that is
an image catalog on VIOS, a network based catalog on the existing
system, or a physical disk. DO NOTE I have seen in this thread
references to 'far far away' and if you are trying to IPL from the
network to
install
IBM i LIC using TFTP/NFS that is across the country that will with
high
probability fail across a WAN. It IS sensitive to latency. I do it
across the state of MI but that's on dedicated private fiber with
4ms latency, It sometimes fails over the link to my home office
with a
15ms
latency. So be warned.

- Larry "DrFranken" Bolhuis

www.Frankeni.com
www.iDevCloud.com - Personal Development IBM i timeshare service.
www.iInTheCloud.com - Commercial IBM i Cloud Hosting.

On 12/20/2017 11:01 AM, Rob Berendt wrote:
<snip>
I have not researched inherent limit of virtual optical but I do
like
that
idea of backing everything
up and transmitting an image then installing raw from the image.
I've
never done that, but it really works?
Again, is there a limit to the size of the virt opt image?
</snip>

It's pretty darn big if there is a limit.
Keep in mind that virtual optical is an "image catalog". Very
important
term.
Each "image catalog" has multiple "image catalog entries".
I have one image catalog composed of 6 image catalog entries.
Each
entry
is between 1-4GB. This is just the latest PTF cume and groups.
Name Size
CUME_1.bin 4,145,152K
CUME_4.bin 3,801,088K
CUME_5.bin 3,784,704K
CUME_3.bin 3,407,872K
CUME_6.bin 2,048,000K
CUME_2.bin 1,392,640K
I've done OS upgrades with a LOT more entries.

I think there's a limit of 1TB on each image catalog entry.

https://www.ibm.com/support/knowledgecenter/en/ssw_ibm_i_
73/rzamp/rzampother.htm

You might want to verify that for 7.1. Just change the dropdown
on
the
left.

Rob Berendt

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