Richard,
I have never, ever called out your qualifications or experience particularly
in public. We have differing views true, but I don't question your
integrity or experience.
No I will not choose to engage this discussion at the Annual Meeting of
COMMON. Nor will I apologize for suggesting the IBM i and POWER systems in
general are superior to Microsoft based systems. Facts are hard things.
Microsoft fanatics and apologists are free to have their opinion.
This thread ends now since it stopped being a technical discussion and
became an ad hominem one.
--
Jim Oberholtzer
Chief Technical Architect
Agile Technology Architects
-----Original Message-----
From: MIDRANGE-L [mailto:midrange-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of
Richard Schoen
Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2015 10:29 AM
To: midrange-l@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: RE: Samba
I think you have successfully brainwashed yourself into thinking Microsoft
Bad, IBM i good. Microsoft Bad, IBM i good. Say it with me everybody.....
The reality is that you have to objectively look at each OS as a tool in
your toolbox in today's landscape. That would include IBM i, AIX, Linux,
Windows, MacOS, iOS, Android and whatever else comes our way.
If you just go around spouting: IBM i is better than everything else because
of it's new name, you sound more like a preacher than an architect.
While it may be true, a lot of your perspective, my perspective and everyone
else's perspective comes from our heritage.
I have worked on AS/400 - IBM i and Windows for 20+ years, thus I have a
natural affinity for both platforms.
You have worked on IBM i, so you seem to have a natural affinity to i-only
unless I'm reading your responses incorrectly.
We're all partial to what we know well, but we have to be open to all
options in today's world, especially when we put the word "architect" in our
job titles.
Otherwise you should tout yourself as "Chief IBM i Architect" or "Chief
Power Systems Architect".
An architect can look objectively at all angles and determine which tool to
use. IBM i isn't always the hammer to wield for an application scenario in
today's world.
Unfortunately the one experience you described was a lost cause because of
management perception. That doesn't make your assertions that Microsoft is
all bad because of one company's experience.
Also I would think that millions of servers would be in dire peril if your
assertion that a poor IP stack were at the heart of Windows issues. As I
mentioned I have hosted servers that haven't been restarted for over a year
and they haven't had any issues nor have I talked to customers facing IP
issues. Or maybe I just haven't noticed :-)
You're right on the virus potentials, but any system is vulnerable to some
extent so hanging your hat on virus protection is not relevant because there
are some awesome virus protection apps out there for Windows and IBM i. In
fact I can think of some things in the HS arsenal that keep IBM i much safer
:-)
Bottom line is that we have differing opinions and experiences, however I
think my position is little more balanced. Just don't let your bias unduly
influence customers.
We can continue the debate in person at COMMON over cocktails if you like.
I'm buying :-)
Regards,
Richard Schoen | Director of Document Management Technologies, HelpSystems
T: + 1 952-486-6802
RJS Software Systems | A Division of HelpSystems
richard.schoen@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx www.rjssoftware.com
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message: 4
date: Tue, 31 Mar 2015 07:42:04 -0500
from: "Jim Oberholtzer" <midrangel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
subject: RE: Samba
Richard,
There's no argument that M$ has a place, nor do I wish to debate it. As to
the stability of the apps: phooey. People expect M$ apps to die constantly
so they accept it. Oh the server itself won't go down or maybe it's only a
service that has to be restarted every week, or communications that bomb for
some reason (M$ still does not know how to build a reliable IP stack) but
those apps die with regularity.
I have a customer that used to run an IBM i ERP. It was green screen. The
CFO got made at the system because it lost a disk unit and the third party
maintenance guy blew up the system by replacing the wrong drive. How that's
IBM i fault is another question He forced the company to the M$ suite of
apps. TOC of the department has about doubled and I see messages at least
once a day from one the many manufacturing plants they have notifying IT
they are down for one reason or another. Usually only a few minutes but
down nonetheless. They went from dead solid, to at best flaky and spent
millions doing it, when all they really needed to do was put up the more
recent version of the software they already had (which has a robust
graphical component). He drank the M$ coolaid....
Let's not talk about security it's not worth the laugh. Daily/hourly
patches for the latest and greatest virus/worm/malware, no thanks....
I do support you're point that you could write applications in .Net and use
those to access the IBM i instance. Arguably Microsoft Studio is the most
efficient development environment available today. RDi is getting there but
there are not the prebuilt helpers for screen dialogs, and common every day
development bits in it yet like Studio has. But I would only put the view
and maybe a portion of the controller there, never the model in an MVC
environment. (wait now your back to the daily/hourly patches for security
and malware on the WEB server, maybe not.......)
--
Jim Oberholtzer
Chief Technical Architect
Agile Technology Architects
-----Original Message-----
From: MIDRANGE-L [mailto:midrange-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of
Richard Schoen
Sent: Monday, March 30, 2015 11:40 AM
To: midrange-l@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: RE: Samba
Yep that's why they buy MS. It's can't possibly be the stability or the
apps. Or maybe it is ? :-)
Do you support any MS apps ? I would love to see you $mack talking Windows
to a CIO/CTO.
I have Windows app server VM's that have been spinning more than 365 days at
a time without issue.
IBM i is good, but coupled with Windows it's even better.
Regards,
Richard Schoen | Director of Document Management Technologies, HelpSystems
T: + 1 952-486-6802
RJS Software Systems | A Division of HelpSystems
richard.schoen@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx www.rjssoftware.com
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message: 5
date: Mon, 30 Mar 2015 10:45:50 -0500
from: "Jim Oberholtzer" <midrangel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
subject: RE: Samba
No question the M$ stuff is entrenched since everyone is really happy to
spend way more money than they need to.
--
Jim Oberholtzer
Chief Technical Architect
Agile Technology Architects
-----Original Message-----
From: MIDRANGE-L [mailto:midrange-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of
Richard Schoen
Sent: Monday, March 30, 2015 10:22 AM
To: midrange-l@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: RE: Samba
On our recent survey and in every real world customer I talk with Windows is
firmly entrenched in the environment. AD, Exchange, Many Business Apps,
VMware, on and on.
Are you seeing differently in the customers you visit ?
Regards,
Richard Schoen | Director of Document Management Technologies, HelpSystems
T: + 1 952-486-6802
RJS Software Systems | A Division of HelpSystems
richard.schoen@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx www.rjssoftware.com
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