Re: Disk requirement (performance-wise) on a Power 7 replacing a System i 520 -- MIDRANGE-L

You are correct sir !
With SSD maintenance charge is per unit (US$48/MONTH on the 387GB units).
Plus you'd still pay additional for any expansion units you need to house them, just like with HDD's.

Neil Palmer, Waterloo, Ontario, Canada

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On Wed, 10/23/13, rob@xxxxxxxxx <rob@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Subject: Re: Disk requirement (performance-wise) on a Power 7 replacing a System i 520
To: "Midrange Systems Technical Discussion" <midrange-l@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Received: Wednesday, October 23, 2013, 9:48 AM

Not only that, but isn't maintenance
for spinning disks included in the
machine but extra for SSD's? If the goal was to get a
new box for what
he's paying for maintenance then adding extra maintenance on
kind of kills
that, eh?

Rob Berendt
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IBM Certified System Administrator - IBM i 6.1
Group Dekko
Dept 1600
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Garrett, IN 46738
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From:   Neil Palmer <neilpalmer400mr@xxxxxxxx>
To:    Midrange Systems Technical
Discussion <midrange-l@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Date:   10/22/2013 10:55 PM
Subject: Re: Disk requirement
(performance-wise) on a Power 7
replacing a    System i 520
Sent by: midrange-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx

Rob,

Yep - you can drop a lot of arms on newer systems and still
outperform a
lot more older disks/arms - as you discovered.
I'd guess just a few 15k RPM SAS drives (139.5GB or 283GB)
would
outperform a flock of old 4 or 8GB drives.
Besides, what current/new system could you attach those to,
and where
would you get them from
- apart from a museum, garbage dump - or raiding Frankie
!   ;-)

Also with the new 3rd generation SSD's available December 6
(387GB and
775GB) you're also getting to the point where you may be
better off say
with a new small sized box and 2 to 4 SSD's (mirrored)
instead of spending
the extra for additional expansion units to house a load of
spinners (if
you needed more more than the 8 spinners in the CEC).

Of course with a 15k RPM SAS 139.5GB spinner at US$498 and a
283GB at
US$950, vs.
a 387GB SSD at US$3588 and 775GB SSD at US$6200 there's
still a bit of a
price spread
the savings from dropping additional expansion units need to
cover. :-)
(One thing with the SSD though is you can order one 4-pack
at a special
price on a new system, so for example instead of the first 4
x 387GB SSD's
costing US$14,352 you can get them for US$12,917).

Neil Palmer, Waterloo, Ontario, Canada

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On Tue, 10/22/13, rob@xxxxxxxxx <rob@xxxxxxxxx>
wrote:

Subject: Re: Disk requirement (performance-wise) on a Power
7 replacing a
System i 520
To: "Midrange Systems Technical Discussion" <midrange-l@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Received: Tuesday, October 22, 2013, 3:01 PM

Should 70GB drives be used for stale
data? These drives are so huge that
wouldn't one be better off just using them for non
volatile
data and use a
bunch of 4 or 8gb drives instead for their more volatile
data? This way
you get more arms?

Not a real question. It's just something to put how
times are changing
into perspective. With disks available in >800Gb
size, which is currently
22 times the size of Jeff's current drives (which is close
to the ratio
between 4 and 70GB drives), let's not assume that such
monsters are best
just utilized for stale non volatile data.

Just speaking as someone who once went from 42 arms down
to
7 and got much
better performance.

Rob Berendt
--
IBM Certified System Administrator - IBM i 6.1
Group Dekko
Dept 1600
Mail to: 2505 Dekko Drive
   Garrett, IN
46738
Ship to: Dock 108
   6928N 400E
   Kendallville,
IN 46755
http://www.dekko.com

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