RE: cloud backup services

Given what we've heard on the news recently, I fail to understand why
anybody would go with any cloud type of storage.

Paul Nelson
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[mailto:midrange-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of DrFranken
Sent: Friday, July 26, 2013 9:06 AM
To: Midrange Systems Technical Discussion
Subject: Re: cloud backup services

Sounds kinda cool but let me ask a question:

So my system just got flooded and IBM brought be a brand new system.
I've reloaded my savsys and IBM libraries and am ready to restore my
users/ programs/ data.

What are the steps to do that from DropBox with your software?

- Larry "DrFranken" Bolhuis

www.frankeni.com
www.iDevCloud.com
www.iInTheCloud.com

On 7/26/2013 9:21 AM, Tim Bronski wrote:

If you're looking for something that will let you do more transactional
backups rather than a full DR then you might want to have a look at our
Dropbox app for IBM i. It's a free product that lets you move data
between your IBMi and Dropbox. We're currently connecting it with our
SAVE product that let's you do encrypted backups so you'll be able to
save and restore directly from Dropbox.

www.arpeggiosoftware.com

On 7/26/2013 2:14 PM, Mike Cunningham wrote:

It's good to see we have considered the same issues as we talked here. We

currently have around 750GB used space on a 1.2TB system. We do a full user
library backup and a full IFS (we store scanned documents in the IFS) backup
nightly. We do not do only changed objects. Makes restore so much easier. We
do a full system save monthly. If we made this change I would still do the
system save and have it local, off site in a vault. I would probably still
keep a tape of the nightly backup locally for quick access for non-disaster
restores and instead of driving the tapes to the vault daily, replicate the
backup to the cloud.

Option 1 below sounds like what I was considering.

-----Original Message-----
From: DrFranken [mailto:midrange@xxxxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Friday, July 26, 2013 7:14 AM
To: Midrange Systems Technical Discussion
Cc: Mike Cunningham
Subject: Re: cloud backup services

<Vendor Response>

At iInTheCloud.com we offer two cloud based backup options.

1- Back up to a local Crossroads SPHiNX VTL which is then replicated

automatically to our SPHiNX.

- Advantage is fast backups with a local copy for fast restores.
- Automatic off-site copy as soon as the backup completes.

2- Use PowerHA or Mimix or MaxAva or ... to replicate data to a partition

in our cloud. Backups are then done on our system and you have no outage
whatever.

- Advantage is data is ALWAYS off site and current there.
- Advantage is bandwidth is much less as only changes cross the wire

and they do so all day long as they occur.

- Disadvantage is a local restore is hard because the backups are

with us!

</Vendor Response>

Nathan's response pointed out one issue with backups to the cloud:
Bandwidth! You need a bunch in most cases unless you can really figure

out what to back up each night. Change 1 row in a 500,000,000 row table and
you get to send the entire table with that night's backup. If you were
replicating to a remote server or partition ONLY that one change

goes across so its done instantly.

ALSO COnsider that until the ENTIRE backup has been copied off-site

you got NOTHIN off site. Partial doesn't do you much good. With replication
you're current off site almost continuously.

Just some points to ponder.....

- Larry "DrFranken" Bolhuis

www.frankeni.com
www.iDevCloud.com
www.iInTheCloud.com

On 7/25/2013 10:46 PM, Mike Cunningham wrote:

Is anyone using cloud backup services for iSeries nightly backups? If

you are how much data are you sending nightly and what service are you
using?

Mike Cunningham
VP for Information Technology Services/CIO Pennsylvania College of
Technology www.pct.edu<http://www.pct.edu/>