RE: Recommendations for a newcomer?

["Raymond B. Dunn" <Raymond.Dunn@xxxxxxxxxxx>]

My god, I didn't think anyone actually used AS/SET.  I learned it about
a million years ago, and never found any clients that used it.  Now, I'm
lucky to still remember that there was a "/" in the name!

-----Original Message-----
From: midrange-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:midrange-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Paul Nelson
Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2013 2:19 PM
To: 'Midrange Systems Technical Discussion'
Subject: RE: Recommendations for a newcomer?

Isn't the reason that LX is now in RPGLE due to the fact that that Infor
can't find ASSET programmers? At least that's what one of the LX support
folks told me a while back.

:-))

Paul Nelson
Cell 708-670-6978
Office 512-392-2577
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-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:midrange-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of rob@xxxxxxxxx
Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2013 2:16 PM
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Subject: Re: Recommendations for a newcomer?

yeah, and that new version of Infor LX we put on that's written in
RPGLE...
And all those ads I am getting for Infor LX that hit many of the web
sites I frequent (including facebook and linkedin). 

Said with no sarcasm and with total sincerity.


Rob Berendt
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From:   Michael Schutte <mschutte369@xxxxxxxxx>
To:     Midrange Systems Technical Discussion <midrange-l@xxxxxxxxxxxx>,

Date:   05/14/2013 12:17 PM
Subject:        Re: Recommendations for a newcomer?
Sent by:        midrange-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx



hmm i wonder what I'm doing then... no new development in RPG. Okay.


On Tue, May 14, 2013 at 12:02 PM, Dan Kimmel 
<dkimmel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>wrote:

> RPG and COBOL are dead. No new development in these languages is being
> done. Others on this list may disagree: I ask them to provide concrete
> examples of development being done beyond a few modules in either 
language.
> That being said, there are millions upon millions of lines of code in 
both
> languages that will need maintenance and improvement for the next 
century
> or so.
>
> The problem is that RPG and COBOL are just not tool-able to the extent
> others are.
>
> If you want to be close to the metal, learn C. If you want to write
very
> high-level stuff using standard libraries and open source libraries, 
learn
> Java. If you want to write code for PC that runs on Microsoft PC's
learn
> Visual Basic or C#. If you want to write mobile apps, learn Java or
> Objective-C.
>
> CL is easy and doesn't take long to learn. It is has limited 
applicability
> besides IBMi system operations. If you want to be an IBMi systems 
operator
> or systems administrator, learn CL.
>
> Notice that nowhere do I mention C++. I think it is dead, too.
>
> There are other languages that have niche markets; python and php, for
> instance.
>
> If you're going to do anything with user interfaces, learn html, xml,
> javascript, CSS and xmlTransform .
>
> There's no single language you can learn that is going to carry your
> career. You're have to learn to learn new stuff every day.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: midrange-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:
> midrange-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Clay B Carley
> Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2013 10:06 AM
> To: Midrange Systems Technical Discussion
> Subject: Recommendations for a newcomer?
>
> Being new to midrange systems, I'm attempting to pick up skills that
> will be useful for me in the future, in hopes to get a job working
with
> them.  Reading articles that say things like COBOL is uncool, and RPG
is
> worse isn't really giving me hope for a future working with a midrange
> system though.
>
> Is it going to be worth my time to learn things like CL, COBOL, and
RPG
> now?  Or are they fading away?  It would be pretty sad to finally
become
> proficient with these languages, only to find out that they are dead
and
> replaced with <blah> instead.
>
> What would you recommend a newcomer focus on (aside from system
> operations)?
>
> Reading Rob's message from last week regarding "20 years of
experience,
> versus one year of experience repeated 20 times" looks like a pretty
> good starting place I suppose.  I'm really trying to look at where
we're
> going to be in the years to come, not necessarily tomorrow.
>
> Thanks for any suggestions,
> Clay Carley
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