RE: Recommendations for a newcomer?

I think a number of versions of BPCS were written with it. Joe Pluta would
be the definitive source for that answer.

Paul Nelson
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[mailto:midrange-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Raymond B. Dunn
Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2013 2:22 PM
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Subject: RE: Recommendations for a newcomer?

My god, I didn't think anyone actually used AS/SET. I learned it about
a million years ago, and never found any clients that used it. Now, I'm
lucky to still remember that there was a "/" in the name!

-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:midrange-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Paul Nelson
Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2013 2:19 PM
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Isn't the reason that LX is now in RPGLE due to the fact that that Infor
can't find ASSET programmers? At least that's what one of the LX support
folks told me a while back.

:-))

Paul Nelson
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yeah, and that new version of Infor LX we put on that's written in
RPGLE...
And all those ads I am getting for Infor LX that hit many of the web
sites I frequent (including facebook and linkedin).

Said with no sarcasm and with total sincerity.


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From: Michael Schutte <mschutte369@xxxxxxxxx>
To: Midrange Systems Technical Discussion <midrange-l@xxxxxxxxxxxx>,

Date: 05/14/2013 12:17 PM
Subject: Re: Recommendations for a newcomer?
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hmm i wonder what I'm doing then... no new development in RPG. Okay.


On Tue, May 14, 2013 at 12:02 PM, Dan Kimmel
<dkimmel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>wrote:

RPG and COBOL are dead. No new development in these languages is being
done. Others on this list may disagree: I ask them to provide concrete
examples of development being done beyond a few modules in either

language.

That being said, there are millions upon millions of lines of code in

both

languages that will need maintenance and improvement for the next

century

or so.

The problem is that RPG and COBOL are just not tool-able to the extent
others are.

If you want to be close to the metal, learn C. If you want to write

very

high-level stuff using standard libraries and open source libraries,

learn

Java. If you want to write code for PC that runs on Microsoft PC's

learn

Visual Basic or C#. If you want to write mobile apps, learn Java or
Objective-C.

CL is easy and doesn't take long to learn. It is has limited

applicability

besides IBMi system operations. If you want to be an IBMi systems

operator

or systems administrator, learn CL.

Notice that nowhere do I mention C++. I think it is dead, too.

There are other languages that have niche markets; python and php, for
instance.

If you're going to do anything with user interfaces, learn html, xml,
javascript, CSS and xmlTransform .

There's no single language you can learn that is going to carry your
career. You're have to learn to learn new stuff every day.

-----Original Message-----
From: midrange-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:
midrange-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Clay B Carley
Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2013 10:06 AM
To: Midrange Systems Technical Discussion
Subject: Recommendations for a newcomer?

Being new to midrange systems, I'm attempting to pick up skills that
will be useful for me in the future, in hopes to get a job working

with

them. Reading articles that say things like COBOL is uncool, and RPG

is

worse isn't really giving me hope for a future working with a midrange
system though.

Is it going to be worth my time to learn things like CL, COBOL, and

RPG

now? Or are they fading away? It would be pretty sad to finally

become

proficient with these languages, only to find out that they are dead

and

replaced with <blah> instead.

What would you recommend a newcomer focus on (aside from system
operations)?

Reading Rob's message from last week regarding "20 years of

experience,

versus one year of experience repeated 20 times" looks like a pretty
good starting place I suppose. I'm really trying to look at where

we're

going to be in the years to come, not necessarily tomorrow.

Thanks for any suggestions,
Clay Carley
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