Re: POWER 7 Upgrade -- MIDRANGE-L

Rob, what i meant is the option available on "work with disks" that allows
you to delete ASPs at will. What surprises me is Paul's info that after
doing that, the directory recovery took 6 hours. I've done it on power5's
(520) and usually limited to the 8 internal disks and in that case it took
minutes.
Deleting an ASP allows you to re-install the OS to a fresh ASP without
overwriting whatever you had installed before.
I've only used option 2 to install and option 1 in that cool case you
helped crac to slip the m5 for that v5r3 machine.
But, from time to time i've used the Erase ASP option to download another
client's machine without having to do all the disk work (4328 disks take
over 300 minutes to initialize on a 520 with 8 disks). That leaves me with
my up to date LIC code and the customer's "whatever" level, but since i
usually do it for a migration the ptfs get applied anyway.
I hope i could explain the general idea.

Best Regards,

On Wed, May 1, 2013 at 5:11 PM, <rob@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Maybe part of my confusion is that I never use any user ASP's.

Rob Berendt
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From: "Steinmetz, Paul" <PSteinmetz@xxxxxxxxxx>
To: "'Midrange Systems Technical Discussion'"
<midrange-l@xxxxxxxxxxxx>,
Date: 05/01/2013 03:52 PM
Subject: RE: POWER 7 Upgrade
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I just did a "Delete User Asp" on a test recovery partition. On the next
IPL, directory recovery "Storage management recovery" took 6 hours, I was
expecting minutes.

-----Original Message-----
From: midrange-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx [
mailto:midrange-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Roberto José
Etcheverry Romero
Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2013 3:44 PM
To: Midrange Systems Technical Discussion
Subject: Re: POWER 7 Upgrade

You could just "erase user asp" and start anew from the save21 tape, that
would be almost as fast as anything, since the asp is already created and
initialized. you just erase it and start anew. just a few minutes for
directory recovery on IPL and install OS from tape...

On Wed, May 1, 2013 at 4:14 PM, <broehmer@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Right book wrong page. Search for:

Recovering your system to a different system

From:
rob@xxxxxxxxx
To:
Midrange Systems Technical Discussion <midrange-l@xxxxxxxxxxxx>,
Date:
05/01/2013 01:52 PM
Subject:
RE: POWER 7 Upgrade
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"user library restore"?
Well, there's more than that. Are you planning on rekeying all users,
etc

from scratch on the new box and just restore user libraries (and
directories)?

I think there is something more middle of the road.

Other things to consider is this isn't your father's AS/400. There's
a lot of configuration stored in various stream files in the IFS. Do
you really want to use this as a time to evaluate every line of your
HTTP directives to put in a clean system? That's just one tiny
minuscule example.

Rob Berendt
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Mail to: 2505 Dekko Drive
Garrett, IN 46738
Ship to: Dock 108
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From: broehmer@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
To: Midrange Systems Technical Discussion <midrange-l@xxxxxxxxxxxx>,
Date: 05/01/2013 02:40 PM
Subject: RE: POWER 7 Upgrade
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Here's the thing. I see the ReSpin K on the Power 5 to be somewhat
trivial.
Shouldn't take that long and like Jim said, it's the absolute safest
way to go.
I don't have a problem with that. And I'm probably leaning that way.
But doing the restore from the save 21 basically rebuilds the new
system from scratch because you rebuild the ASP. My question has
always been is there a better way I can consider that does the same
thing but to build the Power 7 to point where the restore is already
past the system build ready for User library restore And I have a
system that started somewhere around OS 4.2 and there are things in
that "closet" I'd like to throw out.

From:
rob@xxxxxxxxx
To:
Midrange Systems Technical Discussion <midrange-l@xxxxxxxxxxxx>,
Date:
05/01/2013 01:23 PM
Subject:
RE: POWER 7 Upgrade
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Sounds like a good reason to be at respin K like his BP is planning.

Rob Berendt
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Garrett, IN 46738
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Kendallville, IN 46755
http://www.dekko.com

From: "Steinmetz, Paul" <PSteinmetz@xxxxxxxxxx>
To: "'Midrange Systems Technical Discussion'"
<midrange-l@xxxxxxxxxxxx>,
Date: 05/01/2013 02:04 PM
Subject: RE: POWER 7 Upgrade
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I did a 9406-550 to 8205-E6C migration April 2012, V6R1M1, had several
issues related to not having the latest LIC (F at the time) and
required PTFs for Power7 hardware, also double check your firmware
levels. I had to

IPL the Power7 from LIC respinF, trying to restore the LIC from the
Power5

caused the issue. In other words we did whats called (SLIP the LIC)
Power7 migration complete, (8 hours total, 2 hour restore 21) This was
with LTO3 backup, LTO5 restore using LTO3 media, to SSD drives.

Paul

-----Original Message-----
From: midrange-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx [
mailto:midrange-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of DrFranken
Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2013 1:10 PM
To: Midrange Systems Technical Discussion
Subject: Re: POWER 7 Upgrade

It's not at all about 'the money' it's about who's really still
running i 6.1. and getting the most numbers of folks to the current

release.

With this feature you have to WANT or NEED to run 6.1 because it's
about $1000. If you don't want or need it you'll go to 7.1, save the
$1000 and IBM will know you're not running 6.1 because you cannot.

- Larry "DrFranken" Bolhuis

www.frankeni.com
www.iDevCloud.com
www.iInTheCloud.com

On 5/1/2013 11:27 AM, broehmer@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx wrote:

IBM really really doesn't want you to do 6.1.1 unless you're willing
to pay for it.
My BP got pretty upset when he figured out that they just charged
for a code.
Who cares if you go to 6.1.1. 7.1 will happen. Just not today!

From:
rob@xxxxxxxxx
To:
Midrange Systems Technical Discussion <midrange-l@xxxxxxxxxxxx>,
Date:
05/01/2013 10:21 AM
Subject:
Re: POWER 7 Upgrade
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Thanks for the info.

Rob Berendt

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