Re: System applied unloaded PTFs

[CRPence <CRPbottle@xxxxxxxxx>]

  I wonder if perhaps the following explains what had transpired in the 
described scenario?  That perhaps one of the PTFs originally designated 
for apply processing [per use of INSPTF initiated by a user request] had 
qualified as a condition for which an *additional* system-automated 
INSPTF request would be effected [in\by the SCPF job], and thus include 
both the *loading* and *applying* of *all* of some set of "additional 
PTFs" [i.e. those PTFs since registered with, but not yet loaded into, 
*SERVICE]?  Per mention of TR6, that might be likely.?

http://pic.dhe.ibm.com/infocenter/iseries/v7r1m0/topic/rzam8/rzam8whatnew.htm
IBM i 7.1 Information Center -> IBM i and related software -> 
Maintaining and managing IBM i and related software
_i What's new for IBM i 7.1 i_
"...
_What's new as of March 2011_

_Additional IPL automated during PTF installation_

PTF SI42445 is now available for IBM i 7.1. This PTF automates any 
additional required IPLs when installing PTFs from a virtual optical 
device or save files (*SERVICE). On the next normal IPL, another Install 
PTF (INSPTF) command is performed automatically during the PTF 
processing IPL step in the SCPF (start control program function) job. 
The INSPTF command loads additional PTFs and sets all PTFs for delayed 
application. Then, a second IPL of the partition is performed 
automatically to apply all PTFs. When the second system IPL completes 
and the Sign On display is shown, your PTFs are all activated.
An additional IPL is required for the following conditions:

    * When installing a cumulative PTF package that contains special 
handling pre-apply PTFs.
    * When installing a technology refresh PTF (MF99nnn) at the same 
time as a technology refresh requisite PTF.

These conditions can occur when installing the HIPER PTF group, the 
technology refresh PTF group, a cumulative PTF package, or an individual 
PTF with a technology refresh requisite.
 ..."

Regards, Chuck

On 11 Mar 2013 09:51, Jeff Crosby wrote:
> I didn't explain in great detail, but I did _not_ use option 8.
> Here's what I did:
>
> 1) A few weeks back I downloaded TR6 along with a few other PTFs via
> SNDPTFORD. There were less than 15 PTFs total.
>
> 2) I did INSPTF LICPGM(*ALL) INSTYP(*DLYALL). This was also over 2
> weeks ago. So there would have been a small number of PTFs set to
> apply.
>
> 3) My weekend schedules weren't conducive for an IPL until last
> Friday. During the day on Friday I did a SNDPTFORD for virtually all
> the group PTFs. That's _all_ I did. After the download there was no
> LODPTF, APYPTF, INSPTF, or option 8 done from the GO PTF menu. I only
> did this thinking I might have the occasion over the weekend to do
> another IPL. If so, I then wouldn't have to spend time downloading
> the groups as I would already have them.
>
> 4) Friday night I did the IPL, which turned into a double IPL,
> applying _all_ the PTFs on the system, including those I downloaded
> that day. I simply wasn't expecting that.
>
> I'm not having any issues as a result. Just surprised.
>
> On Mon, Mar 11, 2013 at 11:17 AM, Jim Essinger wrote:
>
> > I would expect that if you took the option 8 to "Install program
> > temporary fix package" from the PTF menu, and then selected option
> > 3 for the Prompt for media. My experience is that the PTFs from the
> > DVDs (or optical images) and any save file downloaded PTFs will be
> > applied.
> > The help for this option is;
> >
> > 3=Multiple volume sets and *SERVICE
> >      Specifies to prompt for volumes in multiple volume sets when
> >      loading the PTFs. After PTFs are loaded from the last volume
> >      set, PTFs will be loaded from the service support system
> >      (*SERVICE). This option is also used to install PTFs
> >      from a single volume set and from *SERVICE.
> >
> > For me this loads the PTFs in save files located in QGPL.
> >
> > On Mon, Mar 11, 2013 at 6:44 AM, Jeff Crosby wrote:
> >
> > > Had in interesting one Friday night.
> > >
> > > On 7.1
> > >
> > > As of Friday morning, I had TR 6 set to be applied via a Friday
> > > night IPL I would do from home, as well as a few other PTFs that
> > > were previously downloaded and set to apply.
> > >
> > > I decided to download all the other groups I could think of via
> > > SNDPTFORD on Friday and leave them as "Save File Only." Then, if
> > > I got a wild hair over the weekend, I could load and apply those
> > > as well with another IPL.
> > >
> > > Lo and behold, when I did that IPL Friday night, not only did it
> > > do a double IPL (which I was sorta expecting), it also loaded
> > > and applied all those PTFs (100+) that had been in Save File
> > > Only status. Note that I did no LODPTF, APYPTF, or INSPTF after
> > > downloading them.
> > >
> > > I did not expect those newly downloaded ones to apply. I hadn't
> > > even read the cover letters, which I usually do via DSPPTFCVR
> > > *NOTAPY.
> > >
> > > Is what happened (applying those in Save File Only status) what
> > > the rest of you would have expected to happen?