Re: System applied unloaded PTFs

I wonder if perhaps the following explains what had transpired in the described scenario? That perhaps one of the PTFs originally designated for apply processing [per use of INSPTF initiated by a user request] had qualified as a condition for which an *additional* system-automated INSPTF request would be effected [in\by the SCPF job], and thus include both the *loading* and *applying* of *all* of some set of "additional PTFs" [i.e. those PTFs since registered with, but not yet loaded into, *SERVICE]? Per mention of TR6, that might be likely.?

http://pic.dhe.ibm.com/infocenter/iseries/v7r1m0/topic/rzam8/rzam8whatnew.htm
IBM i 7.1 Information Center -> IBM i and related software -> Maintaining and managing IBM i and related software
_i What's new for IBM i 7.1 i_
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_What's new as of March 2011_

_Additional IPL automated during PTF installation_

PTF SI42445 is now available for IBM i 7.1. This PTF automates any additional required IPLs when installing PTFs from a virtual optical device or save files (*SERVICE). On the next normal IPL, another Install PTF (INSPTF) command is performed automatically during the PTF processing IPL step in the SCPF (start control program function) job. The INSPTF command loads additional PTFs and sets all PTFs for delayed application. Then, a second IPL of the partition is performed automatically to apply all PTFs. When the second system IPL completes and the Sign On display is shown, your PTFs are all activated.
An additional IPL is required for the following conditions:

* When installing a cumulative PTF package that contains special handling pre-apply PTFs.
* When installing a technology refresh PTF (MF99nnn) at the same time as a technology refresh requisite PTF.

These conditions can occur when installing the HIPER PTF group, the technology refresh PTF group, a cumulative PTF package, or an individual PTF with a technology refresh requisite.
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Regards, Chuck

On 11 Mar 2013 09:51, Jeff Crosby wrote:

I didn't explain in great detail, but I did _not_ use option 8.
Here's what I did:

1) A few weeks back I downloaded TR6 along with a few other PTFs via
SNDPTFORD. There were less than 15 PTFs total.

2) I did INSPTF LICPGM(*ALL) INSTYP(*DLYALL). This was also over 2
weeks ago. So there would have been a small number of PTFs set to
apply.

3) My weekend schedules weren't conducive for an IPL until last
Friday. During the day on Friday I did a SNDPTFORD for virtually all
the group PTFs. That's _all_ I did. After the download there was no
LODPTF, APYPTF, INSPTF, or option 8 done from the GO PTF menu. I only
did this thinking I might have the occasion over the weekend to do
another IPL. If so, I then wouldn't have to spend time downloading
the groups as I would already have them.

4) Friday night I did the IPL, which turned into a double IPL,
applying _all_ the PTFs on the system, including those I downloaded
that day. I simply wasn't expecting that.

I'm not having any issues as a result. Just surprised.

On Mon, Mar 11, 2013 at 11:17 AM, Jim Essinger wrote:

I would expect that if you took the option 8 to "Install program
temporary fix package" from the PTF menu, and then selected option
3 for the Prompt for media. My experience is that the PTFs from the
DVDs (or optical images) and any save file downloaded PTFs will be
applied.
The help for this option is;

3=Multiple volume sets and *SERVICE
Specifies to prompt for volumes in multiple volume sets when
loading the PTFs. After PTFs are loaded from the last volume
set, PTFs will be loaded from the service support system
(*SERVICE). This option is also used to install PTFs
from a single volume set and from *SERVICE.

For me this loads the PTFs in save files located in QGPL.

On Mon, Mar 11, 2013 at 6:44 AM, Jeff Crosby wrote:

Had in interesting one Friday night.

On 7.1

As of Friday morning, I had TR 6 set to be applied via a Friday
night IPL I would do from home, as well as a few other PTFs that
were previously downloaded and set to apply.

I decided to download all the other groups I could think of via
SNDPTFORD on Friday and leave them as "Save File Only." Then, if
I got a wild hair over the weekend, I could load and apply those
as well with another IPL.

Lo and behold, when I did that IPL Friday night, not only did it
do a double IPL (which I was sorta expecting), it also loaded
and applied all those PTFs (100+) that had been in Save File
Only status. Note that I did no LODPTF, APYPTF, or INSPTF after
downloading them.

I did not expect those newly downloaded ones to apply. I hadn't
even read the cover letters, which I usually do via DSPPTFCVR
*NOTAPY.

Is what happened (applying those in Save File Only status) what
the rest of you would have expected to happen?