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Actually, I think it's a mentality of some programmers, to code things in
such a way, that they are always going to be needed. to make work for
themselves you could say. This is not only in the AS/400 world but also
here in Delphi and Oracle. Maybe I am seeing the dark side too much, but I
have seen shops, where some programs 'never worked' but so they need to
call external prorgammer for that.
On Thu, Mar 7, 2013 at 1:08 AM, Birgitta Hauser <Hauser@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>wrote:
Hi guys,
Thank you for all your responses.
We already made some bad experiences in this way with external programmers.
The last one did not even have his own guidelines, for example in some
cases
a function returns 0 if an error occurred and 1 if everything was OK. In
other functions an -1 is an error while 0 is OK.... No problem for him
because he never checked the return values!
I think Paul is close with his assumption:
May be not the "brother-in-law" but something similar
... we already suspected something like that.
Mit freundlichen Grüßen / Best regards
Birgitta Hauser
"Shoot for the moon, even if you miss, you'll land among the stars." (Les
Brown)
"If you think education is expensive, try ignorance." (Derek Bok)
"What is worse than training your staff and losing them? Not training them
and keeping them!"
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Maybe that specific programmer is the manager's brother-in-law.
:-))
Paul Nelson
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Birgitta,
Maybe not, what your manager really means, I think, is that you need 'an'
external programmer, not necessarily 'this' external programmer. Maybe if
you approach it this way you might change their thinking. Surely there are
others you could hire to do the work you need. As I recall, there were
several interested persons who responded to your post.
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Thank you for all your confirmation, so I know I'm not alone.
Unfortunately it seems I've already lost the battle :(
... according to my manager yesterday: "You may be right, but we need
this external programmer."
And ... as soon as this external programmer will no longer be
interested
we'll end up with the undocdumented source code that does not fit ourbetter,
guidelines and without knowing how to compile (which module is bound
to what?). We will waste too much time plodding through the sources
and trying to compile (because we are sooo incompetent!) ... same
situation as last time we had an external programmer :(
Mit freundlichen Grüßen / Best regards
Birgitta Hauser
"Shoot for the moon, even if you miss, you'll land among the stars."
(Les
Brown)
"If you think education is expensive, try ignorance." (Derek Bok)
"What is worse than training your staff and losing them? Not training
them and keeping them!"
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Pretty much what I was thinking, but, as always, you say it so much
Rob.your
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Reasonable and clear.
If the developer disagreed they should have spoken about it up front.
For example, if your requirements were:
- No ILE concepts including, but not limited to: service programs,
subprocedures, binding directories, multiple module programs, etc.
- All RPG variables must be 6 characters or less.
- No free format in RPG.
- Use of subroutines is discouraged and code should all be inline.
- Use of CALL is discouraged and code should be copied into the program.
- Use of /copy is discouraged.
Now I might object, strenuously. And I would try to get you to change
mind. If we could not reach a compromise then I would have to make adiscussion in
decision as to whether or not I needed the money that badly but I
would follow your directions. I would reserve the right to bring up
the
the future.opinions.
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From: "Birgitta Hauser" <Hauser@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: "'Midrange Systems Technical Discussion'"
<midrange-l@xxxxxxxxxxxx>,
Date: 03/05/2013 01:21 AM
Subject: Programing requirements - Guidelines - Code Revision and
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Do not want to start a never ending discussions but only get a few
We got a new external programmer who did the first enhancements.parameters
Before he started he got a couple of programming guidelines (only a
few ones around 10), among them:
1. New exported functions and procedures always start with the
application label (XX_) 2. All new functions and procedures have to be
documented and need a header like it is generated with RDp containing,
Procedure Name, Purpose, Parameter Description 3. Prototypes for
exported procedures must be copied into a different member (with the
same name as the source member but a specific prefix) 4. If parameters
must be added to existing functions/procedures they have to be
documented within the header and have to be defined as optional
with OPTIONS(*NoPass).
5. Return values or output parameters or escape messages that indicatein
errors have to be handle after the procedure's call.
6. (Reference) Data structures that located in copy members and are
used
almost all of our sources should not be enhanced (at least newstarting P-
sub-fields should not be included between the existing sub-fields). If
an enhancement is necessary a complete compilation of all modules,
programs, service programs have to be performed.
What happened: The programmer finished his work:
1. New exported procedures were generated but without label prefix 2.
There is no documentation at all, not even a single row before the
statement 3. The prototype is hardcoded within the source where themultiple
procedure is coded.
4. To several existing procedures a new required (not optional)
parameter was added and not documented 5. No return value is checked
(according to the programmer it is not
necessary)
6. A data structure that is included in almost all our sources (in
applications) was enhanced, but no compilation startedguidelines.
I rejected the enhancements because they do not conform to the
The comment of the programmer was: it works and why I should notplay
snooping through his sources. He could not understand why I'm trying
to
the boss. If I think I can it better I should do it myself.list
Am I really wrong insisting in the programming guidelines are followed?
IMHO "working" is not all, also the source code must be documented and
conform the guidelines.
Mit freundlichen Grüßen / Best regards
Birgitta Hauser
"Shoot for the moon, even if you miss, you'll land among the stars."
(Les
Brown)
"If you think education is expensive, try ignorance." (Derek Bok)
"What is worse than training your staff and losing them? Not training
them and keeping them!"
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