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RE: Programing requirements - Guidelines - Code RevisionandExternalProgrammers - Am I wrong

I know, but husbands world-wide have to keep their wives happy.

Paul Nelson
Cell 708-670-6978
Office 512-392-2577
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Sent: Wednesday, March 06, 2013 9:13 AM
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Subject: Re: Programing requirements - Guidelines - Code
RevisionandExternalProgrammers - Am I wrong

Paul, Birgitta is not in Chicago. :-)

- Larry "DrFranken" Bolhuis

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On 3/6/2013 9:55 AM, Paul Nelson wrote:

Maybe that specific programmer is the manager's brother-in-law.

:-))

Paul Nelson
Cell 708-670-6978
Office 512-392-2577
nelsonp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx

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Sent: Wednesday, March 06, 2013 8:45 AM
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Subject: RE: Programing requirements - Guidelines - Code
RevisionandExternal
Programmers - Am I wrong

Birgitta,

Maybe not, what your manager really means, I think, is that you need 'an'
external programmer, not necessarily 'this' external programmer. Maybe if
you approach it this way you might change their thinking. Surely there
are
others you could hire to do the work you need. As I recall, there were
several interested persons who responded to your post.


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bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Birgitta Hauser
Sent: Wednesday, March 06, 2013 12:41 AM
To: 'Midrange Systems Technical Discussion'
Subject: AW: Programing requirements - Guidelines - Code Revision
andExternal Programmers - Am I wrong

Thank you for all your confirmation, so I know I'm not alone.
Unfortunately it seems I've already lost the battle :(

... according to my manager yesterday: "You may be right, but we need
this
external programmer."
And ... as soon as this external programmer will no longer be interested
...
we'll end up with the undocdumented source code that does not fit our
guidelines and without knowing how to compile (which module is bound to
what?). We will waste too much time plodding through the sources and
trying to compile (because we are sooo incompetent!) ... same situation
as
last time we had an external programmer :(

Mit freundlichen Grüßen / Best regards

Birgitta Hauser

"Shoot for the moon, even if you miss, you'll land among the stars." (Les
Brown)
"If you think education is expensive, try ignorance." (Derek Bok) "What
is
worse than training your staff and losing them? Not training them and
keeping them!"

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[mailto:midrange-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx] Im Auftrag von Jerry C. Adams
Gesendet: Tuesday, 05.3 2013 16:54
An: 'Midrange Systems Technical Discussion'
Betreff: RE: Programing requirements - Guidelines - Code Revision
andExternal Programmers - Am I wrong

Pretty much what I was thinking, but, as always, you say it so much
better,
Rob.

Jerry C. Adams
IBM i Programmer/Analyst
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Sent: Tuesday, March 05, 2013 8:45 AM
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Subject: Re: Programing requirements - Guidelines - Code Revision and
External Programmers - Am I wrong

Reasonable and clear.
If the developer disagreed they should have spoken about it up front.
For
example, if your requirements were:
- No ILE concepts including, but not limited to: service programs,
subprocedures, binding directories, multiple module programs, etc.
- All RPG variables must be 6 characters or less.
- No free format in RPG.
- Use of subroutines is discouraged and code should all be inline.
- Use of CALL is discouraged and code should be copied into the program.
- Use of /copy is discouraged.

Now I might object, strenuously. And I would try to get you to change
your
mind. If we could not reach a compromise then I would have to make a
decision as to whether or not I needed the money that badly but I would
follow your directions. I would reserve the right to bring up the
discussion in
the future.


Rob Berendt
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Garrett, IN 46738
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From: "Birgitta Hauser" <Hauser@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: "'Midrange Systems Technical Discussion'"
<midrange-l@xxxxxxxxxxxx>,
Date: 03/05/2013 01:21 AM
Subject: Programing requirements - Guidelines - Code Revision and
External Programmers - Am I wrong
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Do not want to start a never ending discussions but only get a few
opinions.

We got a new external programmer who did the first enhancements.

Before he started he got a couple of programming guidelines (only a few
ones around 10), among them:
1. New exported functions and procedures always start with the
application
label (XX_) 2. All new functions and procedures have to be documented and
need a header like it is generated with RDp containing, Procedure Name,
Purpose, Parameter Description 3. Prototypes for exported procedures must
be copied into a different member (with the same name as the source
member but a specific prefix) 4. If parameters must be added to existing
functions/procedures they have to be documented within the header and
have to be defined as optional parameters with OPTIONS(*NoPass).
5. Return values or output parameters or escape messages that indicate
errors have to be handle after the procedure's call.
6. (Reference) Data structures that located in copy members and are used
in
almost all of our sources should not be enhanced (at least new sub-fields
should not be included between the existing sub-fields). If an
enhancement
is necessary a complete compilation of all modules, programs, service
programs have to be performed.

What happened: The programmer finished his work:
1. New exported procedures were generated but without label prefix 2.
There is no documentation at all, not even a single row before the
starting P-
statement 3. The prototype is hardcoded within the source where the
procedure is coded.
4. To several existing procedures a new required (not optional) parameter
was added and not documented 5. No return value is checked (according to
the programmer it is not
necessary)
6. A data structure that is included in almost all our sources (in
multiple
applications) was enhanced, but no compilation started

I rejected the enhancements because they do not conform to the
guidelines.
The comment of the programmer was: it works and why I should not
snooping through his sources. He could not understand why I'm trying to
play
the boss. If I think I can it better I should do it myself.

Am I really wrong insisting in the programming guidelines are followed?
IMHO "working" is not all, also the source code must be documented and
conform the guidelines.

Mit freundlichen Grüßen / Best regards

Birgitta Hauser

"Shoot for the moon, even if you miss, you'll land among the stars." (Les
Brown)
"If you think education is expensive, try ignorance." (Derek Bok) "What
is
worse than training your staff and losing them? Not training them and
keeping them!"


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