Re: Software Vendors (And US too) - A small rant

Trevor,
respectfully,
I find it very frustrating that you boil this type of discussion down
to just a series of "complaints".

And why would IBM listen to a bunch of complaints?

Because they are the worlds leading "solutions provider".
people go to them all the time with "complaints".
That's what they do...

Gerald




On 12/12/2012 1:26 PM, Trevor Perry wrote:

So why did it need the complaining to start the post?

This is where I find we do our platform a huge injustice. Our community
starts with a complaint, and it just goes downhill. Where is all the
passion and positivity that we had when we started here? And how will we
attract the YiPs if all we do is moan, groan and use SEU? And why would
IBM listen to a bunch of complaints?



On 12/12/12 2:22 PM, "Monnier, Gary"<Gary.Monnier@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

You just made it for me.

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Gary,

You have an observation. Regardless of the past, IBM have now given us
the IBM i branding. This is cool - it runs all the old crap we built, all
the old stuff that still works for our business, and it even lets us do
new and amazing things. Given that it can do all these things,
complaining is probably the reason why IBM is not listening to us. Our
community tends to post more negative comments and complaints about our
beloved platform than any other community.

Now, what was the point of your observation?




On 12/12/12 12:09 PM, "Monnier, Gary"<Gary.Monnier@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

And if IBM hadn't played internal politics and had listened to the user
community i OS would not belong to Apple. Great marketing step that.

But as you say, if we want to stay with IBM we have to go along with
IBM wanting to brand themselves as a hardware company.

Then again considering how well they listened to us, and Oracle
controlling Java (another great step on IBM's part), maybe moving off
IBM wouldn't be such a bad thing. Sacrilege I know but maybe the hard
truth.

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The rebranding is no longer in the equation. IBM have given us the IBM
i branding to match their Power brand, and it will be with us for the
long term.

Either we, as a community, promote the current and future branding, or
we will be left behind in the DP department. And, with all the noise

>from the MS crowd (and even Unix people), and some of our own

community, we need to support this incredible platform for the long
term, not its glorious past.
The challenge is to stop using arguments that keep us mired in the old
names and stuck in old ways of doing things.

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