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Re: Why i??? NEED YOUR INPUT

It isn't limited to security fixes. It is the approach to the way Windows
software developers create their software and updates (and this isn't just
Windows - Mac has had me boot a number of times since I purchased it a two
weeks ago). I don't know *why* they ask you to reboot. Does it have
something to do with the registry? Do they even need to actually have you
reboot? I don't know, but I do it so I don't have to risk something not
working right after the install/upgrade.

With that said it might be a case of the type of personality Microsoft
entertains (i.e. believe it's acceptable to bring down a server after
installing new software or applying an update).

Aaron Bartell
http://mowyourlawn.com
http://mowyourlawn.com/blog/


On Thu, Feb 25, 2010 at 2:10 PM, <Tommy.Holden@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

simple question...how many M$ security "fixes" require a reboot? (i can't
really think of any but i'll give them the benefit of the doubt) so
requiring an IPL once every 2-3 months vs. once a week reboot for a M$
patch...i'll take the every 2-3 months for $1000 Alex...


Thanks,
Tommy Holden



From: Bryce Martin <BMartin@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: Midrange Systems Technical Discussion <midrange-l@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: 02/25/2010 01:55 PM
Subject: Re: Why i??? NEED YOUR INPUT
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So you are saying you want Synaptic Package Manager for the i? Don't we
ALL! :)

I personally like the system because it is so durable. Sure you have to
IPL after you put on certain PTFs, I can be ok with that. But what I
don't have to do is IPL just to fix 3rd party software memory leaks, and
other bugs that hose the whole system when they cause an error. And I
like the fact that I don't have to have a dedicated server to run 1
software package. How many racks of windows servers do companies have
because the software vendor says that their software runs best on a
dedicated install? I've lost count here.


Thanks
Bryce Martin
Programmer/Analyst I
570-546-4777



Aaron Bartell <aaronbartell@xxxxxxxxx>
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I will agree with you that applying PTF's suck (I think that is what you
were saying). I rarely do it because it is such a pain in the butt. Note

I
am NOT an admin type, but I don't think I should need to be. The only way

I
have been able to do it is by way of your blog and wiki posts.

I want to be able to go into WRKPTFGRP, select a function key to check for
latest updates of the products I have installed, review the updates, and
select which ones I want to install - all from the green screen. I don't
want to get Java or my desktop involved because I inevitably have
something
not quite setup right and have to go to different desktops to see which is
working well enough to make everything work from start to finish. Ok, I
will get off my soap box now....

Aaron Bartell
http://mowyourlawn.com
http://mowyourlawn.com/blog/


On Thu, Feb 25, 2010 at 12:57 PM, Lukas Beeler <
lukas.beeler@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

On Thu, Feb 25, 2010 at 16:19, Aaron Bartell <aaronbartell@xxxxxxxxx>
wrote:
Below are some points that I have come up with:

Besides my earlier rant, i wanted to add some points from my
perspective that make the IBM i great:

* Good Integration between hardware and operating system. It's easy to
access information about the hardware in a standardized manner, and
the user interface for controlling most of the tasks is stable. No
need to deal with a variety of third party software just to get basic
hardware monitoring, which is the case with System x hardware.

* Powerful save and restore facilities, paired with proper
documentation and proper software can make machine migrations a
breeze. I've migrated customers from Power5-520s to Power 6 520s
during lunch (~1 hour of downtime). Even other scenarios, like booting
from a Save 21 tape on blank hardware are very good in the
environments i deal with. Sadly, IBM doesn't have any good no-frills
backup software (e.G. Save 21 nightly, which would easily be possible
with LTO4 drives in smaller machines).

That's all i can come up with. There are other things that are quite
good on the i (e.G. PTF), but many of these are hampered by IBM - the
technology behind it may be sound, but often there's just not enough
communication. IBM offers loads of security relevant PTFs, labelling
each of those just as "Integrity Fix" - you don't know what you're
dealing with. Microsoft communicates security issues much better.

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