Re: Slashdot article about P6

Hi:

Recent news buzz in the Linux community seems to be conceding this point. 
That is, the OS runs like a champ once correctly set up. Just don't try to 
change it (including software installation!) unless you want the 
equivalent of an Associates Degree in Linux Configuration. The cost is 
less than a degree, but the time commitment is about the same [grin].

I got Fedora Core 4 running at home on a downlevel box, about a year ago, 
just to say I did it without any help other than online documentation. 
Went pretty well. For a week it was my primary home Internet connection, 
including e-mail. Then I went to the next step, installing a TN5250 
emulator that would work through our VPN. It was about all I did in my 
spare time for two weeks. Never did get it working, even after I started 
asking our in-house Linux evangelist questions. Now every time I see "yum" 
or "RPM" in a Linux context I get the urge to throw large metal objects 
with sharp corners.

I've asked those who are supposed to know, if Fedora Core 5 or 6 are 
significantly better in this respect, and after some hemming and hawing 
the answer is generally, "No."

Darrell

Darrell A. Martin  -  630-754-2187
Manager, Computer Operations
dmartin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx

midrange-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx wrote on 01/08/2007 08:26:42 PM:

I concur 100%.  I recently started doing some part time work for the 
local Montessori school, and am having to learn Linux in order to 
maintain their proxy server, and add email, web and a wiki.  The 
existing proxy server is running Fedora, and Apache.  I looked around 
for some wiki software, chose Wacko after trying something else, and it 
starts out with a relatively simple install procedure, after which 
configuration is supposed to be done via a browser, but that's where it 
all started to fall apart.  Getting the right version of Python to run 
with the version of Apache that works with the Fedora core isn't much 
fun, especially for someone just learning it all.  And all the forums 
are oriented towards people whose idea of fixing it is to download the 
source for everything and recompile.  And if you don't have the 
compiler, download that too.

And I haven't even tried email yet.

*Peter Dow* /
Dow Software Services, Inc.
909 793-9050
pdow@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:pdow@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> /

Ingvaldson, Scott wrote:

I'm not meaning to speak for David, but he appears to be referring

to the Linux UPGRADE process, not Linux operational issues. 

We have been running Linux in production for years and have had 

very few operational issues.  We can easily clone a new Linux server
from an existing one.  But when it comes time to upgrade we have had
to start from scratch, building a new server and migrating the 
applications and data, and then do extensive testing before going to
production.  Our iSeries upgrades normally only require upgrading 
the O/S in test, (usually no application or data work at all) normal
operation for two or three months, then upgrading the production 
O/S.  Linux upgrades require days, and a team of administrators and 
programmers; iSeries upgrades usually require half a day and my time
only.  I have never had to rebuild a production iSeries after an 

upgrade.

In the event of a complete hardware replacement i5's only require 

a relatively simple unload/reload, no application or database 
reinstallation, etc.  Compatibility issues are almost unheard of.

Certainly Linux is exceptionally reliable; but it is nowhere near 

the i5OS in ease of use and built-in, out of the box capabilities.

my 2¢

Regards,

Scott Ingvaldson
System i Administrator
GuideOne Mutual Insurance Company


-----Original Message-----
date: Mon, 8 Jan 2007 08:28:28 +0100
from: "Knezevic, Mihael" <Mihael.Knezevic@xxxxxxxxxxx>
subject: AW: Slashdiot article about P6

Uh, right ... I've had problems with just about EVERY linux upgrade

I've

ever done ... none of them were completely seamless.  When I upgraded

to

Fedora Core 4 my database was hosed for a while.

i don't know your specs, requiremnts and the software you used/
installed but i am running a linux based os for server and client and 

i

got not a single problem at all with the os for years. one server is
running for over a year without a single reboot. and don't mix os
problems with application problems.

my 2 cents

mihael

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