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If there were more common sense in play we'd have a whole generation of programmers who understood "business Logic" and not just "gee I can make that look pretty" programmers........... On 12/11/06, pnelson@xxxxxxxxxx <pnelson@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
If there were more common sense in play, then we'd have a whole generation of catch-phrase spoutin', beemer drivin', laptop totin', latte' sippin', blackberry tappin' MBA's out of work. -- Paul Nelson Arbor Solutions, Inc. 708-670-6978 Cell pnelson@xxxxxxxxxx "Crump, Mike" <Mike.Crump@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent by: midrange-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx 12/11/2006 09:47 AM Please respond to Midrange Systems Technical Discussion <midrange-l@xxxxxxxxxxxx> To "Midrange Systems Technical Discussion" <midrange-l@xxxxxxxxxxxx> cc Subject RE: Saving the System i: Fight Rather Than Switch Very true. In general, I have to admit to having a general problem with many consulting firms (www.despair.com Consulting - If you are not part of the solution, there's good money to be made in prolonging the problem). However, it is geared towards the big guys (with Global Services, anyone related to the Big 6, CAP-Gemini, etc. at the top). It just seems to me that things being recommended are overly complex and ultimately without real substance. In many cases it is the consultants and experts making it so. Moreover, as we have lamented before in most cases the System i is the simpler answer. I think we need to develop a business computing 101 and that we start with a module on business logic. Hey, isn't that an oxymoron? Michael Crump Manager, Computing Services Saint-Gobain Containers, Inc. 1509 S. Macedonia Ave. Muncie, IN 47302 765.741.7696 765.741.7012 f Leaders Leaders are like eagles. We don't have either of them here. -----Original Message----- From: midrange-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:midrange-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of pnelson@xxxxxxxxxx Sent: Monday, December 11, 2006 10:19 AM To: Midrange Systems Technical Discussion Subject: RE: Saving the System i: Fight Rather Than Switch Good stuff. I did find it extremely ironic that the Bullfighter software originated with Do Little, Touche. They're one of the worst offenders in terms of business idiocy in general, and in terms of pushing people to abandon the iSeries in particular. -- Paul Nelson Arbor Solutions, Inc. 708-670-6978 Cell pnelson@xxxxxxxxxx "Crump, Mike" <Mike.Crump@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent by: midrange-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx 12/11/2006 09:04 AM Please respond to Midrange Systems Technical Discussion <midrange-l@xxxxxxxxxxxx> To "Midrange Systems Technical Discussion" <midrange-l@xxxxxxxxxxxx> cc Subject RE: Saving the System i: Fight Rather Than Switch I'd have to admit that I would say that style does in some ways have more importance than substance. NOT THAT I AGREE WITH IT. I just think our industry has developed to that. Not entirely but I think it's pretty pervasive. This happens to be a pet peeve of mine. A lot of it is enforced by the environment of the company I work for - flat to declining market, profit pressure from energy costs, minimalized IT expenditure rates, inadequate manpower levels, etc. We are forced to be no nonsense - it's not that we are brilliant about substance (although I would like to think we are). I read articles from a lot of industry experts (AMR, Gartner, etc.) and I just don't see things that have true substance. The best thing in the world is to read the book 'Why Business People Speak Like Idiots' and run the Bullfighter software (www.fightthebull.com/bullfighter.asp) against articles from the big guys in the analyst and consulting industry. It comes across as a lot of bull. I'm of the opinion that these guys along with the gadget experts are the bane of our industry. Well, that and the fact that everyone listens to them. Someone else on this list has suggested to read some of the stuff by Paul A. Strassmann. "The Squandered Computer" is a bit dated but there are a lot of gems in it. I don't see people buying a $20,000 computer system with the same mentality of buying a $200 digital camera. I see people buying a server with the same mentality of how they buy a $2,000 desktop system. And despite for years of talking about the inaccuracy of comparing MHz for dissimilar systems it still happens on a regular basis. Michael Crump Manager, Computing Services Saint-Gobain Containers, Inc. 1509 S. Macedonia Ave. Muncie, IN 47302 765.741.7696 765.741.7012 f Leaders Leaders are like eagles. We don't have either of them here. -----Original Message----- From: midrange-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:midrange-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of albartell Sent: Monday, December 11, 2006 9:19 AM To: 'Midrange Systems Technical Discussion' Subject: RE: Saving the System i: Fight Rather Than Switch Good point Joe, but.... I think we need to realize that a new generation is coming down the pipes that gets it's information via "flashy marketing". I must admit that I fall into that category sometimes. But after the flashy marketing has taken place and the System i5 actually has the potential buyers attention, THEN feature comparisons can take place and System i5 will be able to shine on its many successes. Get their attention to give them what they want, and then give them what they need. Aaron Bartell P.s. I tried using the name System i5 above by first trying to type "System i", but Outlook wants to change it to a capital "I". Even Microsoft thinks the "System I" is a proper noun and deserves space;-) -----Original Message----- From: midrange-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:midrange-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Joe Pluta Sent: Monday, December 11, 2006 7:54 AM To: 'Midrange Systems Technical Discussion' Subject: RE: Saving the System i: Fight Rather Than Switch > From: Trevor Perry > > I think you are missing the point of my site/s... Nah. And as I said, I respect the effort, and I've even contributed in my own tiny way. I just have reservations about the efficacy; has our industry really fallen to the point where style is more important than substance? Certainly that's the case in commodity items such as desktops and MP3 players and cellphones, but is it really the case in business servers? Can you afford to buy a $20,000 server the same way you buy a $200 camera? I wonder if we shouldn't be spending more time differentiating the market rather than falling into the marketing and merchandising trap. But that's just me. 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