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Trevor, Thanks! I think you're saying that decisions regarding granularity can be done based on system intent. I support a wide variety of dissimilar systems that have intersecting data requirements. Those intersections change so the temptation is to make the components as grainy as possible but then you have a potential performance issue. It's a balancing act that usually gets determined by the urgency of the request...unfortunately. Eventually there are patterns that you see in building components that become a guideline but there are always those stinking exceptions....of course with smaller, more distributed pieces to worry about the new concern is the impact you'll have over the system instead of on a particular program...but that's because global rule changes can be made once instead of potentially hundreds of times. The next question is if those rules belong in files or programs. I used to think files but finally, after arguing for them http://c2.com/cgi/wiki?WelcomeVisitors <http://c2.com/cgi/wiki?WelcomeVisitors> , I think that too depends on the application. (time to head home) bill ----- Original Message ----- From: Trevor Perry <mailto:tperry@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> To: Midrange Systems Technical <mailto:midrange-l@xxxxxxxxxxxx> Discussion Sent: Monday, May 08, 2006 3:08 PM Subject: Re: Application design & architecture Bill, These are great questions! IBM has developed a product called IBM WebSphere Service Registry and Repository. It is designed to provide governance of your SOA - simply put, it is a list of the services you have available. If IBM are doing it, then you know the change management vendors will not be too far behind providing us with better ways of knowing what we have available. Aldon have written a white paper outlining their support for your SOA efforts. MKS are also working in that arena. The question of "when to stop" is not an easy one to answer. However, that is what a good Services-Oriented Architectire is designed to answer - that is, what level of granularity should be adopted. Obviously, a file "get record" is too granular for a business process oriented architecture. And, a customer order entry system has many processes involved and is not granular enough. And choosing how to build services based on parameter requests is scary - do I write one for all 200 pieces of information about a customer? or, do I write one for each type of information request I have? or, do I write one every time I need to get some combination of customer information? Deciding the level of granularity, and which forms it will take, should be answered by the SOArchitecture. I think the issue has been that in the System i world, we have never encountered a Systems Architect. Getting used to the concept of having an SOA Architect is going to be a difficult transition. Trevor
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