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My understanding is you apply all your PTF's perm before the upgrade so when you do the upgrade it doesn't take as long. The upgrade will apply your ptf's perm. The savfs are PTFs that were sent to your system and not used. Lyle J. Hart Jr. Manager Computer Operations Nuvell Financial Services Corp. 501.821.8275 -----Original Message----- From: midrange-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:midrange-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of rob@xxxxxxxxx Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2006 7:37 AM To: Midrange Systems Technical Discussion Subject: Failure to permanently apply ptf's prior to an upgrade If I fail to permanently apply ptf's prior to an upgrade I believe that it leaves the temp stuff around for all perpetuity. And once I've upgraded to the new release it is too late to permanently apply the ptf's from the earlier release. For example look at these objects in QHTTPSVR: Object Object Object Creation Type Attribute Date QSF56133J1 *FILE SAVF 042299 QSF56133J2 *FILE SAVF 042299 QSF56133J3 *FILE SAVF 042299 QSF59810J1 *FILE SAVF 110999 QSF61510J1 *FILE SAVF 030600 QSF61510J2 *FILE SAVF 030600 QSF61510J3 *FILE SAVF 030600 QSI01612J1 *FILE SAVF 053101 QSI02026J1 *FILE SAVF 081001 QSI02026J2 *FILE SAVF 081001 QSI02425J2 *FILE SAVF 110801 QSI04067J3 *FILE SAVF 051402 QSI04067J4 *FILE SAVF 051402 QSI04133J2 *FILE SAVF 050202 QSI04133J3 *FILE SAVF 050202 QSI04134J1 *FILE SAVF 050202 QSI04273J2 *FILE SAVF 043002 QSI05385J1 *FILE SAVF 071802 The change date on all of these is equal to our last unload/reload. Think, it has been many releases ago since there was any SF* ptf's for the standard set of LPP's. Don't let yourself fall into this morass. Apply your ptf's permanently prior to any upgrade. Yes, it may mean an extra IPL on a weekend when you least have the time. In case you're wondering these fields were the same for all of the ptf's listed: System LICPGM LICPGM Level Name Level 999999 Rather worthless, eh? Makes me wonder if this garbage is why IBM changed from SF to SI. Perhaps SF was getting close to rolling over, number wise. Rob Berendt
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