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Steve, you can do DSPFs all you want right now in CL - it's been that way for ages. V5R3 added more DCLFs.

But it is not the favored language for this task. Use RPG or COBOL in one of their flavors. Use the best tool for the task at hand, don't try to shoe-horn something that is not intended for what you want to do.

I can tell from your comments that you have a lot of experience in programming somewhere - it seems, however, that you have not been around the iSeries long enough - obvious holes keep coming up in your comments. I'm sorry, but I've been there - making grand generalizations without knowing enough about what I'm talking about.

Nevertheless, an outside perspective is important. And the folks to talk to most are IBM support. Put in a request for design change, submit a PMR (fix request).

I'm also not sure about the issue you raise about mapping pointers on a call. I can be far off here, but iSeries pointers contain far more than just the address in memory. There are things called operational descriptors (IIRC) that can accompany parameters.

It just seems strange that folks have somehow got along for over 20 years without the things you insist MUST be there for this platform to be successful. Making a assertion boldly does not necessarily bolster its validity. Even this one. ;-)

JMNSHO
Vern

At 06:35 AM 10/19/2005, you wrote:

On 10/19/05, Larry Bolhuis <lbolhuis@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> Steve,
>
> CL received a HUGE bunch of updates in V5R3 and more are coming.  V5R3
> introduced (to CL) the DO loop the FOR Loop,

thanks for the reminder.  I will check into that!

> multiple files in a single
> CL,

I cant chain to a file in CL.  yesterday, I had to write a command and
rpg to write a "rtv" type command so my CL program could get the info
it needed. Took about an hour of my time.

better for IBM to improve the way CLLE calls ILE procedures.  That
way, I could call the recio.h procedures directly from CL.  This would
enable CL to work with display files, database files, ...

> new data types

varying and data struct data types are needed.

>and more. Upcoming releases will introduce
> subroutines among other things.  Sorry but you can't call that 'Serious
> Neglect'.

subroutines are a great idea.   I just disagree with the IBM timeframe
and lack of urgency.  It is taking me twice as long to program things
on the 400 as it would if I had better language support. My current
job is not very secure because of this.

I am trying to be helpful and what do I get in return - attacked by
the boosters!  oh the burden :)   CL commands need to be improved so
the programmer can call SQL and ILE procedures.  The 10 character
system name limit has to be removed.  CLLE modules should be able to
contain multiple procedures, just like RPG.   A = B + C ; is much more
readable than CHGVAR VAR(A) VALUE(B + C)

-Steve

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