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The argument reminds me of VHS vs, Beta Max. Of course the lesson there is that both are now dead. The follow on question becomes "OK, what follows GUI?" --------------------------------- Booth Martin http://www.martinvt.com --------------------------------- -------Original Message------- From: Midrange Systems Technical Discussion Date: 09/21/05 09:45:48 To: Midrange Systems Technical Discussion Subject: RE: Green screen to GUI Hi Jeff, I have felt the same for a long time. It is annoying/embarrassing/exasperating to be talking to someone outside the company about a project, explaining that we are running on the As/400-iSeries-i5, only to be met with the 'Oh, that's one of those old legacy machines isn't it?' or something similar. There is nothing I can say. I've tried all the possibilities - 'Dear, the AS/400 was a 64 bit powerhouse while Windows was only...' and so forth. Anything I say has no effect - for the most part - they don't have the knowledge or experience to comprehend. The only thing that would make a dent in their smug dismissal would be a true graphical interface and the tools to make easy use of it. We had better admit it - we live in a graphical world. All the integration/stability/security in the world will not win over the uneducated/inexperienced, but one simple graphical interface can start the process. (a picture is worth more than a thousand words) I have been an c/rpg programmer since 1988 - mostly rpg. I use subprocedures and ILE and make use of the various API's available when needed. I have taken classes and read about java - we even use it extensively in xml processing. But I have just spent the previous week or so blundering through trying to get a web service to run on WAS Express 5.0. I finally succeeded, but my point is the Microsoft guys I have worked with would jeeringly state - 'I could have had that done in two hours on a microsoft platform with microsoft tools.' AND THEY ARE RIGHT! I've seen it. DAMMIT! I don't know what the answer is - I was interviewing a guy the other day - bright guy - late 20's with a masters degree in cs - a real hot dog. He asked what kind of server we ran and I replied with the 'IBM iSeries' string. He replied yeah, but what does it run, Windows 2003 server? He had no idea what I was talking about. I don't know where I am going with this - I guess I'm just blowing off steam. But I am getting tired of everybody else (non-iSeries) blowing through projects that I have to sweat blood to perform. I need some tools that are on a par with Micro$oft's. I need wizards that ACTUALLY WORK! Everything has to be ARCANE! Even the simplest things have some little part of it obfuscated in the manuals that make it a major effort to implement. Oh well, like Jeff said - Back to work... Regards and apologies for ranting Rick DuVall Systems Manager Dealer's Auto Auction of Okc 405 947-2886 Ext:143 rick@xxxxxxxxxx
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