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This bit one of my customers the other night. Without talking to me, he backed up his Domino stuff while the databases were still in use, even though he did a save while active. His restore to another machine was a waste of time. -- Paul Nelson Arbor Solutions, Inc. 708-670-6978 Cell pnelson@xxxxxxxxxx -----midrange-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx wrote: ----- To: Midrange Systems Technical Discussion <midrange-l@xxxxxxxxxxxx> From: Al Barsa <barsa@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent by: midrange-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx Date: 05/27/2005 01:07PM Subject: RE: Help me Justify iSeries The checkpoint processing would complete, however your backup could be bad! If your backup was bad because of updating during the checkpoint, save would still tell you that you have a good save! Al Al Barsa, Jr. Barsa Consulting Group, LLC 400>390 "i" comes before "p", "x" and "z" e gads Our system's had more names than Elizabeth Taylor! 914-251-1234 914-251-9406 fax http://www.barsaconsulting.com http://www.taatool.com http://www.as400connection.com ChadB@wheeling-ni sshin.com Sent by: To midrange-l-bounce Midrange Systems Technical s@xxxxxxxxxxxx Discussion <midrange-l@xxxxxxxxxxxx> cc 05/27/2005 01:58 PM Subject RE: Help me Justify iSeries Please respond to Midrange Systems Technical Discussion <midrange-l@midra nge.com> Would the checkpoint processing still complete if the data wasn't completely quiesced? (Hope i'm spelling that right... first time using the term... hehe) Al Barsa <barsa@barsaconsu lting.com> To Sent by: Midrange Systems Technical midrange-l-bounce Discussion s@xxxxxxxxxxxx <midrange-l@xxxxxxxxxxxx> cc 05/27/2005 01:35 Subject PM RE: Help me Justify iSeries Please respond to Midrange Systems Technical Discussion <midrange-l@midra nge.com> John, I hope you are not updating during the checkpointing period. Al Al Barsa, Jr. Barsa Consulting Group, LLC 400>390 "i" comes before "p", "x" and "z" e gads Our system's had more names than Elizabeth Taylor! 914-251-1234 914-251-9406 fax http://www.barsaconsulting.com http://www.taatool.com http://www.as400connection.com "Jones, John \(US\)" <John.Jones@xxxxx To l.com> "Midrange Systems Technical Sent by: Discussion" midrange-l-bounce <midrange-l@xxxxxxxxxxxx> s@xxxxxxxxxxxx cc Subject 05/27/2005 01:15 RE: Help me Justify iSeries PM Please respond to Midrange Systems Technical Discussion <midrange-l@midra nge.com> Don/Walden - Are you on V5R3 and have you two investigated the fast checkpointing/save-while-active for your shops? We're checkpointing 203 libraries (a full *ALLUSR) with many thousands of objects in under 20 minutes and are getting a good save every night. No downtime whatsoever. (And Joe and I are going back and forth about 35GB disk while you guys apparently have at least twice the amount of space needed for data alone...) -- John A. Jones, CISSP Americas Information Security Officer Jones Lang LaSalle, Inc. V: +1-630-455-2787 F: +1-312-601-1782 john.jones@xxxxxxxxxx -----Original Message----- From: midrange-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:midrange-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Don Sent: Friday, May 27, 2005 11:49 AM To: Midrange Systems Technical Discussion Subject: RE: Help me Justify iSeries EXACTLY! :) On Fri, 27 May 2005, Walden H. Leverich wrote: > >ALSO, I could spinoff my SAVF's to that server for some production > >libs and reduce my downtime...etc.... > > We do our nightly saves (iSeries) to SAVF then FTP those save files to > a PC Server. That PC Server is then backed up as part of our nightly > backup sweep to tape. Works like a champ (yes, that means I've > recovered from them). Obviously you still have iSeries tape for the > IPL in a disaster recovery case. > > -Walden > > > ------------ > Walden H Leverich III > Tech Software > (516) 627-3800 x11 > WaldenL@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > http://www.TechSoftInc.com > > Quiquid latine dictum sit altum viditur. > (Whatever is said in Latin seems profound.) > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: midrange-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx > [mailto:midrange-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Don > Sent: Friday, 27 May, 2005 12:10 > To: Midrange Systems Technical Discussion > Subject: RE: Help me Justify iSeries > > > > Well, Joe, frankly, I can put a decent intel server, with RAID5 SATA > on my net to serve as a repository at 1gig xfer rate...with just over > a terabyte of useable space....and do so for probably less than $3k... > ALSO, I could spinoff my SAVF's to that server for some production > libs and reduce my downtime...etc....I'm thinking of upgrading one of > my servers to do just this! > > So, IMPUHO (in my Politically UNCORRECT humble opinion), your solution > isn't that far off...in terms of just a disk data repository sitting > out in the ether... I just wish like hell I could do the same > config/pricing with a i5!!! > > Don in DC > > ----------------------------- > > On Fri, 27 May 2005, Joe Pluta wrote: > > > Hey! > > > > Don't go taking my name in vain here, Jim. I really hate when > > people try to slot me when I offer alternatives. If I say Java > > isn't good > for > > everything, I get labeled anti-Java. If I say RPG isn't good for > > some things, I get labeled anti-RPG. I mention that Wintel might be > cheaper > > for some things, and (you could've predicted it) someone starts > labeling > > me as anti-iSeries. > > > > I think I was pretty clear about how this was a business decision. > > Before you start throwing out buzzwords like "security" and > > "critical update and maint time", exactly how much time do you think > > you need to spend on securing and maintaining a file server, even if > > the files are HTTP accessible? It's nowhere near what's needed for > > a web > application > > server. > > > > "joe's cheap pc" is still WAY less expensive than the corresponding > > iSeries disk. If you need high availability, then great, you need > > another PC. And at that point (and only at that point) the > > administration begins to become an issue, primarily because I don't > know > > of a good way to fail over from one PC to another, although I'm sure > > there's a network appliance that would do it. > > > > In any case, "joe's cheap pc" is still cheap, and is still a viable > > alternative to expensive iSeries disk when storing static binary data. > > It may not be the right alternative for a given business, but it has > to > > be looked at, especially when you're trying to keep the overall > > price > of > > your iSeries solution to a minimum. > > > > Joe > > > > > > > From: Jim Franz > > > > > > (just like joe's cheap pc that suddenly got more expensive when > > > you add reliability requirements...and no > > mention > > > of security, HA, the critical update & maint time, & on & on). > > > > -- > > This is the Midrange Systems Technical Discussion (MIDRANGE-L) > > mailing > list > > To post a message email: MIDRANGE-L@xxxxxxxxxxxx To subscribe, > > unsubscribe, or change list options, > > visit: http://lists.midrange.com/mailman/listinfo/midrange-l > > or email: MIDRANGE-L-request@xxxxxxxxxxxx Before posting, please > > take a moment to review the archives at > > http://archive.midrange.com/midrange-l. > > > > -- > This is the Midrange Systems Technical Discussion (MIDRANGE-L) mailing > list To post a message email: MIDRANGE-L@xxxxxxxxxxxx To subscribe, > unsubscribe, or change list options, > visit: http://lists.midrange.com/mailman/listinfo/midrange-l > or email: MIDRANGE-L-request@xxxxxxxxxxxx Before posting, please take > a moment to review the archives at > http://archive.midrange.com/midrange-l. > > > -- > This is the Midrange Systems Technical Discussion (MIDRANGE-L) mailing > list To post a message email: MIDRANGE-L@xxxxxxxxxxxx To subscribe, > unsubscribe, or change list options, > visit: http://lists.midrange.com/mailman/listinfo/midrange-l > or email: MIDRANGE-L-request@xxxxxxxxxxxx Before posting, please take > a moment to review the archives at > http://archive.midrange.com/midrange-l. > -- This is the Midrange Systems Technical Discussion (MIDRANGE-L) mailing list To post a message email: MIDRANGE-L@xxxxxxxxxxxx To subscribe, unsubscribe, or change list options, visit: http://lists.midrange.com/mailman/listinfo/midrange-l or email: MIDRANGE-L-request@xxxxxxxxxxxx Before posting, please take a moment to review the archives at http://archive.midrange.com/midrange-l. 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