Re: Left AS/400 and Returned -- MIDRANGE-L

>... couldn't believe, the cr*p required to manage
> the database {Oracle/Sun databases}, having
> to manage extents manually.

I guess I do not know enough about Oracle/Sun databases, but I know that
Johnson & Johnson in Warsaw has a whole department that does nothing but
data integrity on it.   The AS400 counter part department is considerably
smaller and most reliable.

My observations and opinion....

Eurrat

----- Original Message -----
From: "Evan Harris" <spanner@xxxxxxxxxx>
To: "Midrange Systems Technical Discussion" <midrange-l@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Saturday, April 30, 2005 6:24 AM
Subject: RE: Left AS/400 and Returned


> Hi Tom
>
> I've seen a few of these  myself. IBM's big problem (at least in IMHO) is
> that since they no longer clearly differentiate along platform lines they
> are always trapped by the desire to be not to negative about the proposed
> solution so as not to preclude them selves from the consulting solution.
My
> feeling is that's why they are never as chest-beating about these things
as
> the other vendors - it might lose them some services revenue.
>
> There have been at least three occasions where I feel they could have
> convinced a customer to go iSeries but were so concerned with staying in
> the race for pSeries/db2 against solaris/oracle that they botched the
> entire sale. Again IMHO only.
>
> My experience is that a facilities management role is a great way to see
> how poor the other operating systems and databases really are in terms of
> requiring on-going intervention. I saw a lot of Oracle/Sun work and
> db2/pSeries ( I won't even bother with the SQL Server stuff) and couldn't
> believe (and still can't) what they took for granted as required to manage
> the database. I still give some of them cr*p about having to manage
extents
> manually.
>
> Regards
> Evan Harris
>
> At 09:30 p.m. 30/04/2005, you wrote:
> >It seems to me that IBM could get a lot of mileage out of sites/stories
> >such as the one below. IBM should work out a 'Showcase' deal with them.
In
> >exchange for some kind of discount or whatever, the customer/site would
> >agree to act as a reference.
> >
> >I did a temporary facilities management deal for a company quite a few
> >years ago. They'd been bought and the parent company was hard at work on
> >an 18-month project to convert their S/38 apps over to the parent's
> >Digital system of some sort. When I got there, the project was somewhere
> >around the 2-year mark and estimate to completion was still 18 months.
> >
> >The _big_ hangup at the time was all the subfiles -- there was nothing
> >like them on the parent company side, possibly still isn't. They seem old
> >to us, but they're sure handy in an interactive app. We can take such
> >things almost for granted.
> >
> >Tom Liotta
>
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