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While I still think that downtime and security are issues I normally try to
downplay them more than we have in the past. WINTEL availability numbers
are not bad, I'm sure you have some people with bad experiences but I
think you have just as many if not more with good experiences.
I'm more in line with the issue of complexity and the number of people
required to support it. Our parent company and our auditors push best
practices all the time - If I follow those guidelines for personnel in
almost any scenario for us the staffing requirements for WINTEL/SQL SERVER
and ANY FLAVOR UNIX/WITH ANY FLAVOR DB normally far exceed that of a
comparable iSeries environment. Sure, people can cut corners to reduce the
manpower requirements but then again....they need to............
boyd bill
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Oh, trust me, I'm not going down without a fight. I simply said "sure,
intel
may be cheaper, but what's the cost of downtime?"
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From: Mike.Crump@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:Mike.Crump@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2005 10:23 AM
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Huh, Oracle and cheaper actually used in the same sentence. :-)
Seriously folks, while it may not be your responsibility I'd always
recommend passing your concerns on to IBM. I vaguely remember a discussion
somewhere about IBM creating resources for threatened customers (white
papers, sales support, etc.). I think if the situation is presented to the
right people at IBM and your company is willing to listen, they will defend
the platform veraciously.
So far I have found Peter Bingaman, Mark Shearer, Bob McCormick, Malcolm
Haines, etc. to be very approachable. Of course if your management is not
willing to listen or to try you may not have much of an option. If they
are of an open mind, you have a chance......I'd recommend trying. Tell
them your story and ask for help......
With the i5's, hardware maintenance, software maintenance, and support
personnel costs analyzed I think that you will find the iSeries to not
always be more expensive. In fact I think it would tend to be on the
cheaper side....of course mileage will vary and not every situation is the
same.....
Michael Crump
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boyd bill
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I was just told in a meeting last week that we have to move off of the
AS/400 and to something cheaper and that will support Oracle starting next
year. While I doubt it will actually happen next year since we always seem
to be behind, it does seem inevitable that our iseries days are numbered at
my shop.
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From: Don [mailto:dr2@xxxxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2005 9:40 AM
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Subject: The IBM iSeries word from FOSE...
Here in DC, we have an annual BIG expo of techno vendors, wares, etc.
It's kinda like the governments COMDEX if you will, it's just better run
and attended than COMDEX.
Dell had a BIG booth and well staffed.
HP had a BIG booth and well staffed...
Apple had a BIG booth and well staffed...
...as did alot of the major vendors....and these booths were BUSY.
IBM's booth, when I finally found it, was one guy sitting on a corner
postage stamp size of space with a little sign attached to a xSeries
cluster server saying "Linux DB2". When I poped by to see what was going
on, he was complaining that his blade server had been stolen the night
before. When I asked him about ANY ANY ANY iSeries representation at the
conference, I was told there wasn't any and further"...I don't do
AS/400..." Frankly, it was safer for me to just walk away.
SO, is it any wonder that people here don't think of iSeries as
contemporary technology? Is it any wonder that people here are very eager
to buy Dell and HP Servers?
Has ANYONE in Somers reviewed the current sales/marketing model (beyond
radio/TV/Print spots) and seen where it REALLY NEEDS to be improved?
No, you may not book alot of sales at a FOSE type event, BUT you do
get/keep market recognition...something that OS/400 has very little of
anymore.
Is it really any wonder why in our User Group meeting this week I was once
again deluged by people lamenting how hard it is to find work on a
AS400/iSeries/i5/(insert name here) ???
I don't give a damn if you call me a cormudgeon or not! I'm in the
trenches here and I'm getting lots of calls for help from folks that are
seriousely looking for work....and there's REAL REASONS why there is
none... Starting with "...I don't do AS/400...." and the current sales
models.
Don in DC
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