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Jack, thank you for your enthusiasm, but I really think it's somewhat mis-placed. Most of us poor IT workers, and businesses specializing in the IBM mid range field are generally too tired when we get home, to go out and 'volunteer' our time to teach the uneducated masses. If in fact, IBM is intrinsically what you say they are : "a bunch of haughty big elephants eating tall grass", then I suspect the Mid range division of IBM is as doomed as their pc business. The business of marketing, training, and helping to educate people in this highly competitive computer world of ours, rests to a large degree on the people who design and sell the software, and the educational institutions that also profit from that software. IMHO, this important responsibility of their business is being overlooked. If the reason they give is non profitability, then they are very short sighted. Of course, in the business world, we too have a responsibility to train and educate the business community that uses the business systems we design and build for them, but we have to know where to draw the line. If you burn out, trying to fill a void they created, then your time is free. Ken
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