RE: Model 170 for Personal Development

I've purchased lots of used AS/400 systems.  Nothing like being on a budget.
Starting with V4 systems, the reseller can sell you the hardware only or
they can transfer the OS400 license along with it.  As far as I can tell the
POE (piece of paper) is not worth much.  Once the system is sold, IBM tracks
ownership on a mainframe somewhere.  When they say Base OS they mean OS400
and some other non-chargeable options like Java and the HTTP server.  Other
licensed programs, even if they are non-chargeable must still be licensed to
be legit.  Check with the reseller, sometimes they have POE's that they will
sell for other licensed programs like a compiler or PDM.  

*** One key thing you must get your reseller to do, is to submit the
paperwork to IBM to get the machine registered in your name.  Without the
transfer you will not be able to get an upgrade or a license keys, should
you need them, from IBM.  Without the resellers help you have a snowballs
chance of getting the IBM to change owners in their system.  This is without
a doubt the biggest problem with buying used systems (even if you buy them
used from IBM).

On the developer lease from IBM, the entry systems are at 1.5% of list per
month for lease and 50% off for purchase.  

Kurt

-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:midrange-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Winchester Terry
Sent: Wednesday, June 09, 2004 11:45 AM
To: 'Midrange Systems Technical Discussion'
Subject: RE: Model 170 for Personal Development


> -----Original Message-----
> From: michaelr_41@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:michaelr_41@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx] 
> Sent: Wednesday, June 09, 2004 12:24 PM
> To: Midrange Systems Technical Discussion
> Subject: Re: Model 170 for Personal Development
> 
> The *BASE means that it's the base version of the licensed program
> product. Software and hardware are seperate - you can't get them
> together. You can buy this hardware, but you need to license 
> the OS and  LPPs from IBM. That gets expensive. Of course, sometimes 
> products are left on systems when they're sold, but you would of course 
> want to scratch the disk and reinstall from the software you acquire from
IBM.

OK, I'm a little slow here :(

If the hardware comes with the V5R1 CDROM and "proof of entitlement" 
doesn't that mean I get the base licensed O/S software with it?  I  
didn't think you had to buy anything additional from IBM to use 
the operating system.  Maybe I misread what you wrote (not uncommon).

Of course, if I have to buy the SEU/PDM tools, then I assume it 
would be necessary to contact IBM and pay the big bucks - which
is *exactly* what I'm afraid of :(

> That's on the small side, but it's big enough to do the green screen
> stuff you want to do.

Finally, some good news :)  Thanks for the feedback Michael.

Terry
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