Marty, That is what the AS/400's precursor the S/38 had too :-) Little display and keyboard built right in. Chuck -----Original Message----- From: midrange-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:midrange-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Urbanek, Marty Sent: Monday, November 17, 2003 10:19 AM To: 'midrange-l@xxxxxxxxxxxx' Subject: Re: I hate OpsConsole! Yes, I hate all that cutesy GUI crap too, when it gets in the way of doing my job. However, I also see the demise of this platform if we don't admit that that cutesy crap sells and shed the green-screen image. That is why IBM is "shoving that bloatware down our throats". They are trying to keep us from becoming extinct. Same thing with that lousy Info Center that after years and years still doesn't have anything as easy to search as the way it was originally when the organization was electronic copies of physical manuals. But it sure does look purrrty. Wouldn't it be cool if they just built a small 5250 terminal right inside of the iSeries hardware and call it a service console or system status display something? I remember various components of the mainframe use to have their own little keypads and displays, like in a 3990 control unit. This would just be an extension of that same concept. "No sir, that's not a green screen, it's just part of the power supply". -Marty ------------------------------ date: Sun, 16 Nov 2003 20:53:07 -0600 from: Jay Maynard <jmaynard@xxxxxxxxxxx> subject: Re: I hate OpsConsole! On Sun, Nov 16, 2003 at 06:42:57PM -0800, James H. H. Lampert wrote: > I've long suspected that IBM's refusal to make certain network-related > functions accessible from the command line or from anything > terminal-based is really just a way to violently shove one more piece of > bloatware, i.e., Client Access (which is actually two pieces of > bloatware: both the client and the server are unnecessarily bulky) down > the throats of their users. Come to think of it, three pieces, unless > OpsConsole/OpsNav are available for DOS, Macintosh, or Linux. No, they're not. Therefore, you must have at least one Windows box. (I haven't tried them under WINE, but I suspect they do not work.) I truly don't understand why they place such a requirement on top of such a notoriously brittle platform as Windows. As an old mainframe systems programmer, I'm appalled at the master console being anything but a dumb green screen, at least as an option. _______________________________________________ This is the Midrange Systems Technical Discussion (MIDRANGE-L) mailing list To post a message email: MIDRANGE-L@xxxxxxxxxxxx To subscribe, unsubscribe, or change list options, visit: http://lists.midrange.com/mailman/listinfo/midrange-l or email: MIDRANGE-L-request@xxxxxxxxxxxx Before posting, please take a moment to review the archives at http://archive.midrange.com/midrange-l.