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Pat, >The password could be seen "only" on the printout.... >This was NOT the license key as I recall...(but maybe it was) It is separate from the software license key If the system is prompting for a system password, it needs a new one and even having a printout of the old one won't work. Since V2R3, a system password can expire just by leaving the machine powered off for "too long" -- an ambigious term but often guestimated at around the 30-day timeframe. Hence the recommendation to use the power scheduler to IPL once a week and shut itself back down. The theory seems to be a machine left powered off for "too long" is potentially indicative of being resold to another party, and expiring the old system password is one means for IBM to get a chance to validate the user has a valid OS license. As stated in another thread, this data seems to be stored in the front panel, not the DASD, so even a scratch reload does not restore you to the previous state. As I understand it... Doug
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