Re: Lower End AS/400s -- MIDRANGE-L

Any system that is properly administered should have good uptime. One of the
problems with Windows systems is the wide variety of third-party software.
It's nice to have the choices available, but you're also subjected to
different programming abilities. Different levels of software 'wellness' can
cause problems such as memory leaks or  privileged instructions/memory
conflicts.

From: rob@dekko.com
Reply-To: midrange-l@midrange.com
To: midrange-l@midrange.com
Subject: Re: Lower End AS/400s
Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2002 09:02:35 -0500

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Anthony,

Good remark about the sysadmin.  Knew a gal who worked somewhere else. Her
boss' answer to a QSYSOPR message needing a response was to IPL the
machine.  I bet they weren't impressed about uptime.

Rob Berendt
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"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
Benjamin Franklin

"Anthony Hardy" <mis@jdcc.edu>
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12/12/2002 05:31 PM
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Might I ask what you guys mean by needing an army of support staff?

I have run upwards of 25-30 linux based servers by myself .   . 99.9%
uptime
(extended power outages . .what can i say? . i can't have batts that last
over 10 hours).

The 400 does a phenominal job of taking care of itself . but so does any
system that you setup properly.

I think where the true difference lies is the fact that iseries folks tend
to know their machines better than PC guys .  .a good tech is a good tech.
.
.a good sys admin is a good sys admin . .the goals of a good sys admin are
the same regardless of the architecture/OS you work with.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Dr Syd Nicholson" <sydnic@ccs400.com>
To: <midrange-l@midrange.com>
Sent: Thursday, December 12, 2002 6:05 PM
Subject: Re: Lower End AS/400s

> I have experienced this many times. The up front cost of the iSeries
> seems to be expensive.
>
> On the other hand the iSeries does not need an army of technicians to
> keep it happy, to change its diaper every time it hiccups. In the longer
> term, the iSeries is a much cheaper option. Windows servers possibly the
> most expensive. The cost is not just the hardware, or the software, but
> in the cost of additional support staff, disruption to business when
> things go wrong, etc, etc.
>
> With the increased integration built into OS/400, the iSeries is many
> servers in one allowing a degree of  business and application
> integration that is second to none.
>
> When comparing costs, many people only see the prices of the
> hardware/software and can't see beyond it. A true review should also
> include all the other ancillary costs as well (eg. staffing, training,
> staff turn over, downtime, etc).
>
> Perhaps you could persuade your 'strategists' to look at a second hand
> machine. I use a second hand 270 and a second hand 720, all obtained at
> very respectable prices.
>
> Syd Nicholson
>
>
>
> Dan Rasch wrote:
>
> >Just got back from one of those 'strategic' meetings, and learned why
> >the company is migrating away from the AS/400.  The reason is the
> >price of an entry model has become prohibitive.  We were using the
> >machines as a combination server/processor, and the combination of
> >only supporting the last two releases (with the required hardware
> >upgrades to support these releases) has priced the AS/400 out the back
> >door.
> >
> >Whatever happened to Alan Alda's water pail and supporting customers
> >from the tiniest seedlings to a forest of giant Redwoods?  Why does IBM
> >think the AS/400 has to be the next generation of mainframes?
> >
> >Does anyone have similar experiences, or is this a perception thing?
> >
> >Couseling is in session.  You may approach the bench.......
> >
>
>
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