RE: Tabs in SEU

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Frankly, if I could have gotten away with it I would have removed, or
secured SEU, for 60 days after we paid for Jon Paris to come down here and
train.  To at least get people to make a more informed decision and to get
over learning curves.

Rob Berendt
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safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
Benjamin Franklin




Joel Fritz <JFritz@sharperimage.com>
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10/10/2002 04:13 PM
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That's a great list of features--more than I could think of off the top of
my head. I love it myself and have been promoting it actively at work for
over six months.  So far I've only  gotten two people to try it and made
one
convert.   The other found the lack of field exit support to be more than
enough reason not to use it.

One more thing--you can see more than 40 lines of source on a 19 inch
monitor.


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Paul Tuohy [mailto:tuohyp@attglobal.net]
> Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2002 1:14 PM
> To: midrange-l@midrange.com
> Subject: Re: Tabs in SEU
>
>
> <snip>
>
> "Tyler, Matt" wrote:
>
> > It's just that, in my experiences, CODE/400 has not offered
> anything to
> > actually enhance the coding experience.  You can code
> off-line but you still
> > have to get on-line to verify the program and get cross-reference.
>
> <end-snip>
> Hmmmmmmmmmm. Gotta disagree with you on this Matt.
>
> What comes to mind immediately.....
>
> - Color coding lines.
> - Tab sensitive in free form.
> - Full online help for RPG (don't know about help for Cobol etc.).
> - Wizards for D specs and subprocedures in RPG and a couple
> of wizards for Java
> and the ability to write any wizards I want.
> - See more then 70 odd characters without damaging my eyes on
> a 25*132 screen.
> - See more the 16/18 lines of code at a time.
> - Edit more then one member without having to have a 5250
> session per edit.
> - Navigator to give me a chart of a program. Double click on
> the subroutine box
> and you are positioned at the line of code in the source.
> - Verify a program. Yes, you have to be on line, but only the
> first time you
> verify. After that the verify can be from the cache on your
> PC - average verify
> time for a 600 line program on my PC is under two seconds. I
> do most of my
> coding off-line and I verify all the time.
>
> A quick comparison between detecting a simple mis-spelling of
> a field name
> using Code and SEU.
>
> Code: Click on verify, double click on 7030 message no and
> you are at the
> error.
> SEU:  F3, 14 Enter, Get message the job ended abnormally, 2
> Enter, F15, 2
> Enter, Move cursor to SEU command line on bottom half of
> screen, B Enter, Page
> Up twice, F 7030 Enter, F16, F16, move cursor to line no on
> top half of screen,
> Type line no in error and Enter.
>
> <snip>
>
> > I think everyone should try CODE/400 for them selves, but I
> just want to warn
> > others that it is not the fix for all dislikes with SEU.  Both have
> > limitations that need to be resolved and we all suspect
> that IBM will no
> > longer update SEU with new features, beyond the exit points.
>
> <end snip>
>
> No argument here. Code/400 is not perfect (few if any windows
> based products
> are) but I have found it to be streaks ahead of SEU. It does
> take some getting
> used to because old habits are hard to break - we know how to
> do things
> instinctively in SEU but we have to think about it when we
> are using Code/400
> ergo SEU suits me better - just have to give it a bit of time.
>
> As for the bug discussion - "One man's bug is another man's feature"
>
> Regards
>
> Paul Tuohy
>
>
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