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Re: last OS400 ver for M36?

  • Subject: Re: last OS400 ver for M36?
  • From: ken shields <kjs@xxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 17:44:07 -0400
 
I'm glad your shop has all those people to handle all those worlds.
Try 1.

rob@dekko.com wrote:
> 
> I'll admit that there might be some 'pure' M36 customers.  But I would hope
> that some are running mixed mode:  Some native, some M36, and maybe some
> 36E.  The developers working on the M36 don't care what version the OS is
> on.  They're lemmings.  The developers working in the native version are
> either working on seperate projects or the replacement solution.  They
> might care about which version the OS is on.  These companies might have to
> make a decision as to when to 's^!+ or get off the pot'.
> 
> Rob Berendt
> 
> ==================
> A smart person learns from their mistakes,
> but a wise person learns from OTHER peoples mistakes.
> 
> 
>                     "Bale, Dan"
>                     <D.Bale@handleman.c        To:     
><MIDRANGE-L@midrange.com>
>                     om>                        cc:
>                     Sent by:                   Subject:     RE: last OS400 
>ver for M36?
>                     owner-midrange-l@mi
>                     drange.com
> 
> 
>                     07/26/2001 12:19 PM
>                     Please respond to
>                     MIDRANGE-L
> 
> 
> 
> Agreed, Rob, but in the scenario which prompted this thread, I did not get
> the feeling that this M36 customer was going to purchasing V5R1 software
> any time soon.  Since they're M36, doesn't that preclude *any* native
> AS/400 environment?  If so, they couldn't add any new software if they
> wanted to.  Well, I digress, but is there any S/36 software packages out
> there available for sale?
> 
> Any shop still running M36 long ago decided that the environment was
> sufficient for them then, and still is now.  It is in my (shallow???)
> opinion that these shops have no need to upgrade the OS.  Everything works
> fine as is.  If the system is up-to-date on PTFs, there should be no need
> to worry about IBM dropping support for the release.
> 
> Or have I missed something here?
> 
> Dan Bale
> IT - AS/400
> Handleman Company
> 248-362-4400  Ext. 4952
> D.Bale@Handleman.com
>   Quiquid latine dictum sit altum viditur.
>   (Whatever is said in Latin seems profound.)
> 
> -------------------------- Original Message --------------------------
> 
>      -----Original Message-----
>      From:   rob@dekko.com [SMTP:rob@dekko.com]
>      Sent:   Thursday, July 26, 2001 11:17 AM
>      To:     MIDRANGE-L@midrange.com
>      Subject:        RE: last OS400 ver for M36?
> 
>      Unless of course you accept software from any vendor running V5R1.
> 
>      One example is compile a screen with HLPARA(*RCD) on V5R1 and try to
>      get
>      that to run on a machine running anything earlier than V4R5.  And V4R5
>      will
>      only work if you have ptf's SF65906 and SF65976.
>      Not counting this bug, sooner or later you'll want to take advantage
>      of a
>      newer feature.
>      I heard an interesting story this week.  Seems that a software vendor
>      polled their customer base, at a user group meeting, as to whether or
>      not
>      they would be upset if they stopped supporting anything prior to V4R3.
> 
>      There were ZERO objections.  They were stunned.  They pulled some of
>      them
>      aside to confirm.  Some confessed to being on an earlier version but
>      were
>      praying for the day when that vendor would stop supporting the old
>      version
>      so they would have an excuse for management to upgrade.
> 
>      Rob Berendt
> 
>      ==================
>      A smart person learns from their mistakes,
>      but a wise person learns from OTHER peoples mistakes.
> 
>                          "Bale, Dan"
> 
>                          <D.Bale@handleman.c        To:
>      <MIDRANGE-L@midrange.com>
> 
>                          om>                        cc:
> 
>                          Sent by:                   Subject:     RE: last
>      OS400 ver for M36?
> 
>                          owner-midrange-l@mi
> 
>                          drange.com
> 
>                          07/25/2001 07:30 PM
> 
>                          Please respond to
> 
>                          MIDRANGE-L
> 
>      I guess I just look at our systems - a development box stuck at V3R2
>      and
>      several other boxes at V3R7 - and these things just keep going and
>      going
>      and going.  These will be replaced SOON(Yeah !!!), but for those
>      companies
>      who insist on staying with a product that IBM chooses to abandon, I
>      guess I
>      don't see any reason to get upset about being stuck on an old release
>      of
>      OS/400.  In my experience, by the time IBM drops support for a given
>      release, that release is stable enough to run without problems for a
>      long,
>      long time.
> 
>      Dan Bale
>      IT - AS/400
>      Handleman Company
>      248-362-4400  Ext. 4952
>      D.Bale@Handleman.com
>        Quiquid latine dictum sit altum viditur.
>        (Whatever is said in Latin seems profound.)
> 
>      -------------------------- Original Message --------------------------
> 
>           -----Original Message-----
>           From:   Jerome Draper [SMTP:jdraper@trilosoft.com]
>           Sent:   Wednesday, July 25, 2001 7:41 PM
>           To:     MIDRANGE-L@midrange.com
>           Subject:        Re: last OS400 ver for M36?
> 
>           That's the plan for now.
> 
>           Jerry
> 
>           Jerome Draper, Trilobyte Software Systems, since 1976
>           Network and Connectivity Specialist -- Mac's, LAN's, PC's,
>      Windows,
>           Linux, Sun, and AS/400
>           Representing Synapse, CLI, Nlynx, Perle, Lucent, 3Com and Others
>      .....
>           <http://www.trilosoft.com> - (415) 457-3431 - (415) 258-1658fax -
> 
>           jdraper@trilosoft.com <mailto:jdraper@trilosoft.com>
> 
>                ----- Original Message -----
>                From: Bale, Dan <mailto:D.Bale@handleman.com>
>                To: MIDRANGE-L@midrange.com <mailto:MIDRANGE-L@midrange.com>
> 
>                Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2001 3:41 PM
>                Subject: RE: last OS400 ver for M36?
> 
>                >what the heck are they supposed to do?
> 
>                Um, why not just stay at V4R4?
> 
>                Dan Bale
>                IT - AS/400
>                Handleman Company
>                248-362-4400  Ext. 4952
>                D.Bale@Handleman.com <mailto:D.Bale@Handleman.com>
>                  Quiquid latine dictum sit altum viditur.
>                  (Whatever is said in Latin seems profound.)
> 
>                -------------------------- Original Message
>                --------------------------
> 
>                        -----Original Message-----
>                From:   Jerome Draper [SMTP:jdraper@trilosoft.com]
>                Sent:   Wednesday, July 25, 2001 6:04 PM
>                To:     MIDRANGE-L@midrange.com
>                Subject:        Re: last OS400 ver for M36?
> 
>                        Thanks.
> 
>                        How many AS/S36 shops are there and what the heck
>      are
>                they supposed to do?
>                They could migrate to S36E to get to V4R5 but then S36E
>      sunsets.
>                So then
>                what?
> 
>                        Believe me.  These shops are not going to rewrite to
> 
>                native AS400 next week.
>                We are talking simple businesses that work fine as is.
> 
>                        Joe Frank, senior architect of SSP, told me that you
>      can
>                teach a person to
>                run a S36 in one day and they can.  You can teach a person
>      to run
>                an AS400
>                in a week and they still can't do it.
> 
>                        :-)
> 
>                        Jerry
> 
>                        Jerome Draper, Trilobyte Software Systems, since
>      1976
>                Network and Connectivity Specialist -- Mac's, LAN's, PC's,
>                Windows, Linux,
>                Sun, and AS/400
>                Representing Synapse, CLI, Nlynx, Perle, Lucent, 3Com and
>      Others
>                .....
>                <http://www.trilosoft.com> - (415) 457-3431 - (415)
>      258-1658fax -
>                jdraper@trilosoft.com
> 
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