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Hi, Allow me to be much more specific. Yes, system values do exist, and are available when OS/400 has started. System values are kept in a user space within the operating system. (Curiously, they are not objects!) To run DST from a manual IPL, only the Licensed Internal Code most be installed. OS/400 does not even have to be installed. So as OS/400 has not yet been started, the data from System Values is not yet available. Al Al Barsa, Jr. Barsa Consulting Group, LLC 400>390 914-251-1234 914-251-9406 fax http://www.barsaconsulting.com http://www.taatool.com thomas@inorbit.com Sent by: To: MIDRANGE-L@midrange.com owner-midrange-l@mi cc: drange.com Subject: Re: V5R1 DST passwords 07/09/01 08:58 PM Please respond to MIDRANGE-L Al, This is pure nit-picking on my part as well as comments from someone who has no absolute knowledge of what actually happens during DST time rather than a serious attack on your statements, so bear with me. On Mon, 09 July 2001, barsa@barsaconsulting.com wrote: > > When starting DST at IPL, system values do not exist. They are a part of > OS/400, which is not yet started. It was possible when we were selling the > M36 systems to have a system without OS/400 loaded all together. > > I do agree, however, that they should have made some other facility to put > this in the user control. I find it hard to accept that the system values do not exist during DST at IPL. I can accept the the OS/400 interfaces to the values are not available, but the values themselves must surely "exist". Otherwise, the implication is that they're created from nothing during IPL. Surely IBM knows how to locate and access the values. I mean, they wrote the parts of OS/400 that make them available. How can it be possible that it _can't_ be done during DST? Tom Liotta -- Tom Liotta The PowerTech Group, Inc. 19426 68th Avenue South Kent, WA 98032 Phone 253-872-7788 Fax 253-872-7904 http://www.400Security.com ___________________________________________________ The ALL NEW CS2000 from CompuServe Better! Faster! More Powerful! 250 FREE hours! Sign-on Now! http://www.compuserve.com/trycsrv/cs2000/webmail/ +--- | This is the Midrange System Mailing List! | To submit a new message, send your mail to MIDRANGE-L@midrange.com. | To subscribe to this list send email to MIDRANGE-L-SUB@midrange.com. | To unsubscribe from this list send email to MIDRANGE-L-UNSUB@midrange.com. | Questions should be directed to the list owner/operator: david@midrange.com +--- +--- | This is the Midrange System Mailing List! | To submit a new message, send your mail to MIDRANGE-L@midrange.com. | To subscribe to this list send email to MIDRANGE-L-SUB@midrange.com. | To unsubscribe from this list send email to MIDRANGE-L-UNSUB@midrange.com. | Questions should be directed to the list owner/operator: david@midrange.com +---
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