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True. But there is value. After paying the fee for hardware, then the fee for OS/400 and keyed pgms, then the fee for hardware support, then the fee for Support Line, one thing I can say is I DO get support. When I have a problem, be it hardware or software, or even a how-to question, I KNOW I've got a number to call, and that they WILL help me. And by help, I don't mean search the "knowledgebase", then try reinstalling the OS and all the applications from scratch and see if it happens again, then if it does, try swapping out some hardware. Usually with IBM, in a short time, I've got somebody on the phone or in the computer room, and they WILL help me understand and resolve the problem. Same thing for development. For a few more bucks and a few more contracts, we get excellent support from PartnerWorld for Developers. These guys will help you with your code, advise you how to do things, let you test on their machines, and cut you a deal on your hardware and software. I used to do POS work for a retail chain with about 1000 stores. When we needed to update the hardware, we would split the job into 3 or 4 weeks. At the designated time, 250 IBM CEs show up at 250 stores with the appropriate parts and instructions and complete the upgrades. Then we do the same thing the next 3 weeks. What other company can provide this level of service? Maybe HP. Certainly not M$ - they don't even do hardware, unless you count the mouse, that bent keyboard, and their new video game, which they probably don't even manufacture themselves. Speaking of manufacturing, who builds computers? Who has labs where they do actual research and create new things, work with the latest semiconductors and ways of representing, storing, and moving data? IBM does. How does this add value? Because with IBM you can get to somebody that knows the answer, no matter how deep the answer is. Granted, it's unlikely that my problem with a CL will result in me talking to some scientist in a lab, but it's nice to know that Frank Soltis does. As much as I hate dealing with IBM bureaucracy, I am amazed at how organized they are, given the number of products and services they have, the number of customers, in every country, and the number of years they have been in operation. And for a few more bucks, I can get on IBMLink and search the collective problem database of all that stuff. Now that's a knowledgebase. That's what I get for money spent on IBM and AS/400. How much is this worth in terms of your business, your service to your customers, and your employee productivity? It's worth a lot, and it costs a lot. We are not a large IBM customer, so it's not the millions we're (not) spending on hardware that gets us excellent support. It's the thousands we're spending on all those annoying little contracts. Presumably that money and those ridiculous $4000 disk drive prices goes to support that huge, cumbersome organization which provides me with excellent support. Is this kind of support available in the M$ world at any cost? From observing both our NT developers and tech support people in action, I don't get the impression that it is. Is it even possible, given that the hardware and software are all coming from a variety of vendors who all naturally believe their part works, and point the finger at the next guy? -Marty p.s. Sorry that was so long - I got on a roll there. Too many little blue pills in my java this morning. ---------- original message -------------------- Date: Sat, 2 Jun 2001 12:16:45 -0400 From: booth@martinvt.com Subject: Re: NT vs AS/400 ... IBM has done a disgraceful job of helping users around the world find any real value for these huge price differences. ... +--- | This is the Midrange System Mailing List! | To submit a new message, send your mail to MIDRANGE-L@midrange.com. | To subscribe to this list send email to MIDRANGE-L-SUB@midrange.com. | To unsubscribe from this list send email to MIDRANGE-L-UNSUB@midrange.com. | Questions should be directed to the list owner/operator: david@midrange.com +---
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