RE: backups on AS/400; part2 -- MIDRANGE-L

I understand too the frustration, here at least we do have a work around,
from the system console we run
an interactive C/L, prompt screen to enter the start time for shutting down
and doing the save, then a
IPL (still have not convinced anyone that it is not necessary to do
weekly...that aside)  and works
great with no one here (unless of a power outage)  This works here because
we are the last to leave
the building on Friday nights and lock up the whole place, not just the
computer room - no real security
issue here, but food for thought until IBM sees fit to make our lives easier
(oh wait I'm sorry, we are
in the computer industry, our lives are complicated to make everyone else's
job easier... forgive me ;)

just my 2cents



-----Original Message-----
From: owner-midrange-l@midrange.com
[mailto:owner-midrange-l@midrange.com]On Behalf Of D.BALE@handleman.com
Sent: Friday, May 25, 2001 12:13 PM
To: MIDRANGE-L@midrange.com
Subject: Re: backups on AS/400; part2


Al, maybe you've been around the block way too many times to count on this
issue, but what's your take on the fact that a SAVE 21 type of save, one
requiring a dedicated system with all subsystems ended, must be run
interactively from the system console?  I find it ridiculous that, after all
these years, IBM still has not given us a solution to this gaping hole.  Do
others feel that way?  Most shops I know of can only do a dedicated system
backup (which, IMHO, is the only sane way to do a backup; your comments on
SWA
considered) off hours in the middle of the night, and the only way I've been
able to figure out how to accomplish this is to sign on to the console prior
to leaving for the day and start the backup application that waits until
late
at night to start the ENDSBS *ALL and run the backup.  Most AS/400 shops
aren't big enough to be able to justify the expense of a night operator.
The
so-called way to secure this is to lock the console using the key on the
display.  It would seem to be a no-brainer (well, consider who's talking
here,
o.k.?) to allow a batch job to run from the controlling subsystem in a
restricted state.  But what do I know?

I have taken a renewed interest in this pet peeve of mine, considering my
new
responsibilities.

- Dan
Dan Bale says "BAN DALE!"
IT - AS/400
Handleman Company
248-362-4400  Ext. 4952
D.Bale@Handleman.com
  Quiquid latine dictum sit altum viditur.
  (Whatever is said in Latin seems profound.)

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