backups on AS/400, objects

Hi Midrange,

Dan Bale
>Second, if the CL program is observable (also shown on DSPPGM), you can run
>RTVCLPGM on the program object to produce the source code  <snip>

This was interesting, turns out the backup was really just using the command
  on the BACKUP menu (see my other post today..) running thru Job Scheduler

>Opinion:  I'm getting the idea from your posts that you're not a programmer
>experienced on the AS/400.  Quite frankly, if you don't know what you're doing
>in CL, you may be setting your company up for a disaster fiddling with your
>backup.

Ahh... let's assuage your concerns here a bit..
I had originally fine-tuned the backup procedures for this company in the 
90's on the
SSP S36...

(They were sold a Y2K bill of goods, spent a ton of money on completely
   unnecessary work, and they called me back in a year + later to
   get things working again...)

Now, granted, I let the backup setup of the previous company stand on the
AS/400, and didn't check much (just an occasional QS36F to another library
name restore) until this situation arose where objects did NOT restore and
they were not on the tape.. (and I am assured that there were no user jobs 
running at the time)

BTW, for some operations issues on OS/400 through all this I was counting 
on another
programmer who backs me up and comes in occasionally and is
fairly accomplished, and he gave no holler previously about the save..
.. at this point I am combining his expertise with this forum :-)

(My only other CL needs have been some Menu type stuff essentially, all
  the application code is still in good ol OCL and RPG 3)

So if you see my other post today, I think all the basic issues are hashed
out.. (SAVLIB being the better command, saving configuration and security
too.. saving while libs active AND the error log being sent to a simple
permanent file ... ) ... granted this should have been done months ago,
this non-saving of objects on the AS/400 with minimal notice did sorta 
blindside me ..
.. oh I should also touch the issue of what is needed for an OS/400 and
utility and PTF restore in case of a full crash.. to close the loop... (like
your disaster recovery questions below..) my clients S36 had maybe
about 3 crashes thru the 90's so I am not unaware of these issues...

(I will have to figure out what to do if I still have user objects 
sometimes not
  saving, which  hopefully will not be the case with SAVLIB and the right 
parameters..
  ... I would probably trouble shoot why this occurs and/or add the S36 Save
  commands then.. )

My point is that this is not essentially a CL issue, this is more a "what 
constitutes
a full and proper and verified save.." ..  there are many instances that 
accomplished
programmers who know all the Op Sys commands let things go by on this..
... once 10+ years ago I changed the name of a physical file and didn't add
it the new name to the file by file save (didn't have a utility for saving 
file by file
at the time) and ooppsss.. fortunately it was only a difficulty not a 
disaster..

>  Can your company survive not having a complete backup if something
>happens to your system?  If you say yes, you must be also able to say that you
>have tested your backups to verify that they are complete.  Why not just do a
>SAVE 21 and be safe with that?  Having said all that, most AS/400 shops I've
>seen have never tested their backups in a DR situation, mine included.  Our
>company has been starting to get aggressive in this area and I expect that we
>will soon be asked to test our DR strategy.

Oh .. what is a SAVE 21 ?

The issues are basically the current theme of this post and the other one today
where I talk about the SAVLIB command and some parameter and logging
and initialization issues..

Granted, initially I mixed in some other OS/400 neophyte issues, so I 
appreciate your concern..

Steven in newyawkl


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