backups on AS/400, objects missing -- auto-run procedures -- MIDRANGE-L

Hi Mid-Range,

Thanks for all the excellent responses about backing up and objects
missing..
Please bear with me while I work on the followup
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The save is in the job scheduler, but I have some problems cause seems
only the compiled
pgm was kept for the CL, it looks like.. (is there some sought of
cross-library search for a source name..
.. one fella said DSPOBJ but that didn't work..... assistance here ?...
poked around a few CMD
menus but didn't find such a thing.. a little raw on looking for CMD's)...
assume the source would
be in a QCLSRC file .. ? ...if saved..

I may end up taking the save out of of job scheduler for the time being
and maybe even just putting it in OCL
for the time being .. either way I may want to use a save that allows file
sharing as I don't want the
pain of killing user application jobs, varying off,etc .. unless there is a
simple way to do that.....

(I am really still non-functional on CL :-) ... and this overnight
stuff alone is not sufficient reason to
spend a lot of time on it....

Now some followup questions ..

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Phil
Direct the output to a file. .....

Schmuel (will do, thanks for any CL save)
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Claire
And the AS/400 doesn't tell you when it skips objects during backup, unlike
the System 36. You could do object precheck, or look at the joblog, however
the real issue is probably making sure all jobs are ended before the backup
starts.

Schmuel
(see below for the first part, I wonder if you agree with Jeff)
agree that the big issue is how to make sure the save is complete...

well i was just told by a compatriot that there is a AS/400 CMD allows
file sharing..
that might resolve this problem.. to find the save and put that parameter
in....
.. I can probably find it thru the menus, but help here is always
appreciated...

the alternative for the QS36F Save file would be to use the old SAVE individual
files command (either by hand or by a utility) from OCL, that allows shared
mode ...
even if I end up saving the data files twice in the same night ..
(once in AS/400 full save and once in OCL mode)

.. that leads to another question, other than my program libraries
and QS36F what other libs would be significant (only special activity is Domino
doing light email and nothing else...) .... btw we have a 170 Rel 4.4.
Is this a sensible question to ask.. why repetitively back up all the
non-dynamic stuff
.. I think our 2.5 gig tape is ok for now, but ultimately that might be a
space
question as well ...
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Jeff.
I beg to differ. I have never run a backup but that OS/400 has told me
each and every object that was not saved. Escape messages are sent. <snip>

Schmuel

Understood, thanks..., tho my problem is not really knowing what was not saved
(because of shared usage skipping over it seems) but doing a save where I KNOW
that the data files are saved.. Thanks for the extra insight
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Chuck
If you find that objects are "missing" from your tape I suggest checking the
job log of the backup job. It is most likely that the objects were in use
when the save was performed and they were not saved. If your backup job
does not create a job log I would suggest changing the logging level of the
job to (4 00 *SECLVL). I can't tell you where to make this change w/o
knowing how the backup job is submitted (IBM job scheduler, manaully, etc.)
I personally have never seen an IBM save skip objects unless they were in use.

Schmuel .. ok.. got it :-) and agreed.. probably somebody left an inquiry
program up that
night or something.... we never knew that that was unkosher, of course the
folks
who set up the CL overnight also Y2K'd inaccurately tons of date fields
that never
needed to be touched .. :-) for which they received mucho denaro..
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Thank you Buck and Al Barsa, too.. thanks Al also for the phone help and the
Toolkit info.. made some headway after tawkin to ya...
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Alister Wm Macintyre
I save S/36 objects to one tape from within S/36 on OS/400 because even
though save-all 400 supposedly saves all, some S/36 objects are not valid
OS/400 objects & I am a bit paranoid about that.

Schmuel
Hmmm.. now that is interesting.. and if you could expound more fully as
to the type of objects or why that is, I would appreciate...

I am seriously considering OCL'ing my save, using SAVE OCL for QS36F
... do you save some other AS/400 libraries from within OCL using CL commands ?
info on your modus operandi greatly appreciated.. (I have no problem using
WAIT command and OCL to emulate a scheduler)

Alister
There is a manual specific to people who doing both SSP & OS/400 stuff which
has nice charts like <snip> There is also a slim manual for ordinary users

Schmuel
And these manuals would be available from ? my local IBM office .. ?
It seems we do have the original manuals with the system ..
I have one 3rd party book with some cross-reference info, but it is sorta
rudimentary

Alister
We no longer need this because we have menu options with WRKSBMJOB & WRKSPLF
& etc. wrapped up so user takes menu option to see what is status of their
jobs & why the printer is not doing their reports etc. <snip>

Schmuel
Ahh.. .. could use some CL savvy to do same.. or a nice little library of
such commands...
(another words.. you set up a little utility menu for the user that is a
little more helpful
than simply the raw op system ..?)

Alister
On OS/400 command line GO SAVE and GO Backup takes you to a lot of stuff ...
Go Backup is not advised any more ... GO RESTORE options should match menu
item for menu item what is on GO SAVE.

Alister
There is a free IBM wall poster that charts what is in each GO SAVE option.

Schmuel
Kewl.. hmmm.. are we registered with IBM, current .. have to check..
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Thanks again to everybody :-)

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